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"Seastrunk family clears air" (long)

  • After reading this lengthy, Lache-loving, Lyles-abiding, Ducks-a-doting piece, I feel like participating a group hug and adopting a one-legged puppy from the pound. Just this portion here made me want to offer mea culpas and go to an ashram to repent my cynicism.

    • Lost, though, in today's continuing headlines, is the pain that all of the negative attention has caused the rest of the Seastrunk family. Lache has young cousins who look up to him as a great example; the wild accusations are bad enough. But this is not the worst of it for the family. Many of Lache's family are long time, die-hard, Texas Longhorn fans. The family has had to endure being cursed at and ridiculed in public over the alleged actions of Will Lyles. And that is a shame. These family members have done everything they could to help raise Lache. As one family member states "that old saying about it taking a village, Lache had a village. And we, his family, were a big part of that village." And he is right; the village did help with Lache.

    Just a, uh, splendid piece of, er, journalism.

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  • ExpatriaTex said... (original post)

    After reading this lengthy, Lache-loving, Lyles-abiding, Ducks-a-doting piece, I feel like participating a group hug and adopting a one-legged puppy from the pound. Just this portion here made me want to offer mea culpas and go to an ashram to repent my cynicism.

    • Lost, though, in today's continuing headlines, is the pain that all of the negative attention has caused the rest of the Seastrunk family. Lache has young cousins who look up to him as a great example; the wild accusations are bad enough. But this is not the worst of it for the family. Many of Lache's family are long time, die-hard, Texas Longhorn fans. The family has had to endure being cursed at and ridiculed in public over the alleged actions of Will Lyles. And that is a shame. These family members have done everything they could to help raise Lache. As one family member states "that old saying about it taking a village, Lache had a village. And we, his family, were a big part of that village." And he is right; the village did help with Lache.

    Just a, uh, splendid piece of, er, journalism.


    Well, this response was not unexpected, but to see it come from the Oregon end is a further demonstration of the absurdity of the circumstances. I figured Whitlock or some local Texas hack would do a contrarian story for the Seastrunks.

    To me, there is no gray area regarding Seastrunk. He took money, his mother took money, and the whole family was in cahoots with Lyles. His aunt was a damned poster on ShaggyBevo. She attempted to take me to task on a few occasions about her nephew and his complete and total innocence. When SLX came on in a thread and went where I wouldn't, specifically laying bare the entirety of the family's corruption with Lyles, she first attempted to play stupid, which I think she was. Then, clearly after she checked in with Seastrunk's mother, she came back and with the help of a board admin, deleted every post she had ever made on the board in an attempt to cover up any tracks in the dialogue that a family member had left behind in public. She also attempted to simultaneously apologize and disavow herself of the cheating over PM once she realized how pathetically naive she had been.

    I am rooting against that dude. I hope he fails miserably and I hope he takes that whole program down with him. I sat the fence for a while about how much he actually knew, but at this stage, it is very clear that he knew what was happening just about every step of the way.

  • ExpatriaTex said... (original post)

    I am rooting against that dude. I hope he fails miserably and I hope he takes that whole program down with him. I sat the fence for a while about how much he actually knew, but at this stage, it is very clear that he knew what was happening just about every step of the way.

    I feel the same way. I wish I didn't but I am not a Seastrunk fan. Based on the backs we've been getting, I'm not at all unhappy that he's not here.

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  • ExpatriaTex said... (original post)

    Well, this response was not unexpected, but to see it come from the Oregon end is a further demonstration of the absurdity of the circumstances. I figured Whitlock or some local Texas hack would do a contrarian story for the Seastrunks.

    To me, there is no gray area regarding Seastrunk. He took money, his mother took money, and the whole family was in cahoots with Lyles. His aunt was a damned poster on ShaggyBevo. She attempted to take me to task on a few occasions about her nephew and his complete and total innocence. When SLX came on in a thread and went where I wouldn't, specifically laying bare the entirety of the family's corruption with Lyles, she first attempted to play stupid, which I think she was. Then, clearly after she checked in with Seastrunk's mother, she came back and with the help of a board admin, deleted every post she had ever made on the board in an attempt to cover up any tracks in the dialogue that a family member had left behind in public. She also attempted to simultaneously apologize and disavow herself of the cheating over PM once she realized how pathetically naive she had been.

    I am rooting against that dude. I hope he fails miserably and I hope he takes that whole program down with him. I sat the fence for a while about how much he actually knew, but at this stage, it is very clear that he knew what was happening just about every step of the way.

    The shaggy bevo stuff with Lache's aunt is true. I remember how she would always try to reassure everyone that Lache was going to end up at Texas.

    Oklahoma delenda est

  • ChampKind

    Auntie Jen was no daisy.

    This kid will likely suffer little, if any, consequence for his part in this mess. And that's just plain unfortunate.

  • This reminds me of another recruiting story....... remember in the 30-30 ESPN Series Craig James said he didn't receive any inducements to attend SMU........In fact he was extremely concerned on signing day when he heard about Eric Dickerson suddenly receiving a car..................liar

    "Leadership is wisdom, courage and great carelessness of self"

  • Craig James has always been consistent on this episode of his life. Admit only what you can't deny and deny everything you can't admit. Similar words should be on Jackie's tombstone.

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  • I am reminded of something I heard in a an ethics training session. "How many lies can you say before someone can call you a liar?"

    "I've heard some of our fans say, 'We were always an SEC school. We just didn't know it," athletic director Bill Byrne said.

  • Youre mad at the wrong people. Its the people that gave up the money that people should be upset about. Im glad he got paid. If the booster/coach/alum is dumb enough to break the rules by giving it, thats on them. Lache isnt the bad person in this, just like Cam Newton isnt in his case. If these are supposed to be upstanding institutions, then they would turn anyone that asked for a twinkie away knowing its against the rules.

    College football needs to pull back on the reigns and pull them back hard.

    There is nothing more dangerous in this world than a man with nothing to lose.

  • 10 to 1 odds that Ms. Carter had sexual relations with Lache.

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  • bruthaman said... (original post)

    Youre mad at the wrong people. Its the people that gave up the money that people should be upset about. Im glad he got paid. If the booster/coach/alum is dumb enough to break the rules by giving it, thats on them. Lache isnt the bad person in this, just like Cam Newton isnt in his case. If these are supposed to be upstanding institutions, then they would turn anyone that asked for a twinkie away knowing its against the rules.

    College football needs to pull back on the reigns and pull them back hard.


    Your premise implies that poor ol' downtrodden Lache Seastrunk and his sweet mother were innocently pursuing college opportunities for LS when The Man showed up and started forcing them to take money and to choose Oregon. So what you're saying is that these dumb black folks were run over by Whitey. I have a hard time with your argument, sir. For one, it's racist. For two, they were very clear about wanting money up front. They were working with their street agent during sweet Lache's junior year forward.

    At some point, as much as the folks involved would like to try otherwise, accountability falls at the feet of the people asking for a deal and then taking one. If a prostitute is looking for a client, they're always going to find one. In this instance, both Lache and his mother did a solid job of getting paid for their services. So, yeah, they're to blame. Piss off with your plaintive, nonsensical whining as a defense for them.

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    bruthaman said... (original post)

    Youre mad at the wrong people. Its the people that gave up the money that people should be upset about. Im glad he got paid. If the booster/coach/alum is dumb enough to break the rules by giving it, thats on them. Lache isnt the bad person in this, just like Cam Newton isnt in his case. If these are supposed to be upstanding institutions, then they would turn anyone that asked for a twinkie away knowing its against the rules.

    College football needs to pull back on the reigns and pull them back hard.

    Besides the last line a highly questionable post IMO.

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  • Don't be mad at the person that got drunk, drove, and killed some family on their way home from seeing Santa! Get mad at Jack Daniels for making such a drankable whiskey! Are you SERIOUS, bruthaman? This total lack of accounting for one's personal actions is exactly what is wrong with this country and society in general.

  • Get Hooked, you got me at the nice horns pics.

  • ChampKind

    bruthaman said... (original post)

    Youre mad at the wrong people. Its the people that gave up the money that people should be upset about. Im glad he got paid. If the booster/coach/alum is dumb enough to break the rules by giving it, thats on them. Lache isnt the bad person in this, just like Cam Newton isnt in his case. If these are supposed to be upstanding institutions, then they would turn anyone that asked for a twinkie away knowing its against the rules.

    College football needs to pull back on the reigns and pull them back hard.

    This may be the dumbest thing written in the history of the interwebs. Congratulations! You've shown a complete lack of understanding of morals, integrity, right and wrong, and the rules of amateur athletics. Very well played, sir.

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  • bruthaman said... (original post)

    Youre mad at the wrong people. Its the people that gave up the money that people should be upset about. Im glad he got paid. If the booster/coach/alum is dumb enough to break the rules by giving it, thats on them. Lache isnt the bad person in this, just like Cam Newton isnt in his case. If these are supposed to be upstanding institutions, then they would turn anyone that asked for a twinkie away knowing its against the rules.

    College football needs to pull back on the reigns and pull them back hard.

    Is that sort of like telling your best friend, "Hey, if I hadn't porked your girlfriend, somebody else would have, and I wasn't about to stand by while some total stranger did that to my best friend." ???

    "I've heard some of our fans say, 'We were always an SEC school. We just didn't know it," athletic director Bill Byrne said.

  • Morals in college football? Talk about the ultimate oxymoron. First, I have no clue how this is racist. My point is that everyone is going to rake Lache over the coals about all of this. IF he or his mother took money, its not their fault the school gave it to them. The institution should know better as well as their alum/boosters/coaches. If Lache and his mom asked for money, the school should have stopped recruiting him. Its not that hard to understand. Second, all of your comparisons are lame. In the case of Mr Jack Daniels, the rule being broken isnt the sale, its driving after you got drunk. In comparison, it wasnt Lache asking for money that will get said school in trouble, its the booster giving him the money, thats the crime or broken rule. If people stop paying individuals asking for money, they will still have to go to school and they wont get any money if people associated with the school dont pay. Lastly, do you think every recruit asks for money?? Do you think they are given money anyway?? There are no morals in college football. You must not be paying attention. And yes, Im sure there are more than a few $100 hand shakes at texas too.

    There is nothing more dangerous in this world than a man with nothing to lose.

  • bruthaman said... (original post)

    Morals in college football? Talk about the ultimate oxymoron. First, I have no clue how this is racist. My point is that everyone is going to rake Lache over the coals about all of this. IF he or his mother took money, its not their fault the school gave it to them. The institution should know better as well as their alum/boosters/coaches. If Lache and his mom asked for money, the school should have stopped recruiting him. Its not that hard to understand. Second, all of your comparisons are lame. In the case of Mr Jack Daniels, the rule being broken isnt the sale, its driving after you got drunk. In comparison, it wasnt Lache asking for money that will get said school in trouble, its the booster giving him the money, thats the crime or broken rule. If people stop paying individuals asking for money, they will still have to go to school and they wont get any money if people associated with the school dont pay. Lastly, do you think every recruit asks for money?? Do you think they are given money anyway?? There are no morals in college football. You must not be paying attention. And yes, Im sure there are more than a few $100 hand shakes at texas too.

    Of course a Choklahoma fan would know all about shady back room deals and money handshakes.

  • From a Oregon standpoint, I wouldn't worry to much on allegations we face. I would focus on keeping 5* in your state.

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  • ExpatriaTex said... (original post)

    From a Oregon standpoint, I wouldn't worry to much on allegations we face. I would focus on keeping 5* in your state.


    Thanks for the advice. It's been a real problem at Texas. At some point, we aspire to reach the lofty heights of the legendary Oregon program. It is every Longhorn fan's dream to be known for shitty uniforms, recruiting scandals, and the inability to slice the Gordian Knot that is the a/an article conundrum.

  • ExpatriaTex said... (original post)

    From a Oregon standpoint, I wouldn't worry to much on allegations we face. I would focus on keeping 5* in your state.

    You know, I think we do quite well attracting the best talent Texas has to offer. When everything’s on the up-and-up, that is.

  • ChampKind

    bruthaman said... (original post)

    Morals in college football? Talk about the ultimate oxymoron. First, I have no clue how this is racist. My point is that everyone is going to rake Lache over the coals about all of this. IF he or his mother took money, its not their fault the school gave it to them. The institution should know better as well as their alum/boosters/coaches. If Lache and his mom asked for money, the school should have stopped recruiting him. Its not that hard to understand. Second, all of your comparisons are lame. In the case of Mr Jack Daniels, the rule being broken isnt the sale, its driving after you got drunk. In comparison, it wasnt Lache asking for money that will get said school in trouble, its the booster giving him the money, thats the crime or broken rule. If people stop paying individuals asking for money, they will still have to go to school and they wont get any money if people associated with the school dont pay. Lastly, do you think every recruit asks for money?? Do you think they are given money anyway?? There are no morals in college football. You must not be paying attention. And yes, Im sure there are more than a few $100 hand shakes at texas too.

    You're so wrong it isn't even funny. The NCAA rules on amateurism place the burden/restriction on the student-athlete and the institution. And the penalties apply to the student-athlete and the institution.

    "NCAA Division I Bylaw 12.1 (Amateur Status).
    Amateur Status: An individual will lose amateur status, will not be eligible for
    intercollegiate competition in a particular sport if the individual:
    1. Uses his or her athletics skill (directly or indirectly) for pay in any form in that sport;
    2. Accepts a promise of pay, even if such pay is to be received following completion of
    intercollegiate athletics participation;"

    So, yeah, it actually IS a violation of the rules for the player to accept money (because money = pay). It's clearly outlined the amateurism certification that each and every D-I/D-II prospect has to complete with the NCAA Eligibility Center.

  • ExpatriaTex said... (original post)

    From a Oregon standpoint, I wouldn't worry to much on allegations we face. I would focus on keeping 5* in your state.

    Kind of hard to do when we won't buy them when; Oregon, LSU, Tenn, and Auburn will.