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Get FSU and Clemson. It will start the dominoe effect ACC goes under. ND forced to join big 12. I wish Dodds would just butt out and let FSU and clemson join.
This post was edited by DualThreatQB 23 months ago
Dodds has a lot of pull and has earned his place as a power guy in the B12, however, I don't think he is in charge of the expansion of the conference. He has major say so, but all schools now realize we are all locked into this conference and threats of taking your ball and going home no longer work.
Each team will vote with themselves in mind and there is no longer any reason to appease Texas, Texas isn't leaving for another conference any time soon.
Sure he is personally on a quest for ND, but that don't mean everyone else goes for it. I think he can manage to keep the door open for them, but I don't think he can block other moves like FSU just because he has a side deal in progress with ND. Screw ND. We can move on and not have to cater to a program who currently isn't relevant.
Agree on ND. Give'em until next Wednesday and then move on. All sports too, not this all but football crap mess. GaTech is interested is the latest rumor, if so, grab'em and add FlaState.
If you guys think ND is more likely to move to the Big 12 with Clemson and FSU, then the Texas admin would beg to differ with you.
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This post was edited by CelinaHorn 23 months ago
I don't think they are more likely to move with FSU and Clemson, but I don't care. I would rather have FSU and Clemson than wait on ND. I want teams in the Big 12 that want to be here and are in good recruiting areas.
ND brings a National audience and I would be excited to bring them in, but not at the expense of FSU, which is a better football program over the last 2 DECADES, and has a brighter future. Plus, if we could somehow land GT and Louisville or VT to go along with FSU and Clemson, then we would have a great conference.
Bottom line is Dodds needs to look no further than the Big East to see what happens to your conference when you sit around and wait for ND to join. Imo, you add FSU, Clemson, and possibly 2 more teams and let ND decide what they want to do later. If they join later then great. If they don't so what, we will have done what we needed to do to remain a top conference.
We can't be reactive and stay strong as a conference. We need to continue being proactive, and expansion with FSU does that.
You've made this comment in about 5 threads now, but have never explained the logic behind it.
Care to share? Because I, and most everyone else, do not understand.
Two birds in the hand beats one peacock in the bush.
pretty sure he is suggesting that TX admin feel ND won't feel any pressure to move to the B12 just because FSU/Clemson move here. ND is pretty secure in that they will always have options no matter how much anyone feel/believes otherwise. ND is realistically the biggest fish out there and there is not one conference that wouldn't take them if they said they wanted to join. I'd bet Tx feels this way because they know more than us from their conversations with other conferences, decisions makers.
FSU/Clem may add $$ to the Big12 kitty but ND would add much much more.
so we need to add Navy and Pitt to get NotreDame's interest? I'm really thinking that NotreDame will not move football to a conference in my lifetime, no matter if it's Big10 or Big12. Their not exactly a college football relic but they are not as significant as they used to be but they still think they are. Isn't their ratings on NBC fairly low?
Don't disagree . . . but ND would be less likely to go to the ACC if FSU and Clemson move to the Big XII.
A lot of folks struggle to grasp the concept of a long term investment. If anyone believes FSU even remotely provides the long term value Notre Dame would bring to the conference, they are sorely mistaken. Notre Dame has a truly national following that no one else can touch from a distribution standpoint (although Texas and some schools might draw greater TVs due to large market saturation). If the folks that negotiate these deals invite FSU, I am all for it. If Deloss believes it is in Texas's best interest to wait a bit on Notre Dame, I'm for that as well. There is no reason to be jumping all over FSU like a 17 year old with an erection, because for the time being, FSU and co. have nowhere else to go. Why not let things play out for a year or so, if need be, and be sure we get it right rather than get it fast.
While conference additions/changes cause buzz and excitement among fans, Texas absolutely benefits the longer the league stays at 10 teams, so long as waiting does not adversely impact eventual growth. A 10 team league, with no conference championship, gives us a straighter path to a BCS game, with a smaller $$$ split. It is not cowardice that makes this preferable, but pure common sense.
If expansion is truly inevitable and the Big XII decides Notre Dame, FSU, GT, Clemson etc. are the choices we want now, I am willing to wait a while to let that happen as long as the waiting does not cost us an opportunity with the top choices. If waiting creates undo risk, I am sure the conference will make a move this summer. If not, who knows, maybe UNC or someone similar might become available as we vet our options. Just chill out and recognize that Dodds and Bowlsby will have a better handle on all of the financial dynamics and time frames than we do, so there is no reason to continue to live your lives in a realignment panic.
You should get Frank the Tank2000 to post over here. He's pretty dialed in to ND:
I don't think ND is worried about the playoff. A little-known fact is that Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany is actually VERY close with ND AD Jack Swarbrick. The Big Ten is already on the record that they prefer a hybrid model (so there would be at least one wild card spot for a non-champ) and the SEC obviously wants a straight top 4. The TV networks have a ton of influence, as well, and their interest is to make sure a #2 Alabama team is included in the playoff and they certainly don't have any interest in a playoff that would exclude a top 4 ND team. They're not paying literally billions of dollars for a playoff that could end up having a split national championship. Even in the context of a "conference champs only" playoff, I believe many people are looking at it too literally in believing that would exclude ND. The more likely scenario is that a top 4 independent would be an exception to the conference champs only rule.
Overall, ND is a complete red herring. The Big Ten and SEC would rather have a top 4 ND team in the playoff 1000 times out of 1000 over a C-USA champ (as indicated by the special access that ND has under the current BCS system), so it makes little sense to exclude the former and include the latter. There will be access for ND in some shape or form.
One other point about ND: the Pac-12 and Big Ten actually kept ND informed of their scheduling alliance discussions, while the Big 12 and SEC kept ND informed about their new bowl discussions. Why on Earth would the 4 power conferences keep ND in the loop about confidential partnership talks if they intended to shut ND out? That doesn't make sense. The more likely scenario is that they have a very pragmatic viewpoint toward ND because the Irish are ultimately a net revenue generator (unlike, say, the Big East). ND is a key player in the playoff negotiations because they literally have the same vote as an entire conference yet they only deal with one school (as opposed to 10, 12 or 14 schools). Even Jim Delany has to run proposals by 12 university presidents before giving a final answer. You don't have to do that with ND, which makes them a crucial vote that everyone wants to have on their side.
I think what he's been saying is that Dodds and company have little interest in expansion that doesn't include Notre Dame, but absolutely zero interest in expanding beyond 12 teams no matter who they are.
So if FSU and Clemson (or any two teams) join, then expansion is over in their minds and there's no room for Notre Dame or anyone else.
The playoff alignment will dictate what everyone does including Notre Dame and Texas. If FSU and Clemson and VT want in, that's too much to be offered or face being left out of a playoff. Don't buy this 10 is enough or no more than 12 stuff. If the playoff dictates 4-16 team conferences, then that's what the Big XII will be. Anything else is just old men posturing to get the most money out of these deals.
This post was edited by rantanamo 23 months ago
Good post and now everyone might understand why ND does not want to join a conference nor feels pressured to do so and why everyone wants them in their conference. I don't care if they haven't done squat on the field in awhile the fact remains the are a draw, they make money, they are considered to be on a level very few teams/schools in the country reside.
Inside Texas has a report that ND is set to join the Big 12.
Color me very skeptical by the way.
It is a tweet from Greg Swaim apparently.
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This post was edited by PDX Horn 23 months ago
I am with you on this. i really don't think Dodds wants to move beyond 10 but if he did then his compromise would be 12 with 1 of those being ND. It still may not play out that way but it might be what he is trying to do.
Not finding anything on Inside Texas except a thread stating some blogger Greg Swaim is saying Notre Dame to the Big 12.
When I see Swarbrick holding hands with Bowlsby, Neinas, Dodds, Castiglione on a stage in front of the cameras only then will I believe it. But no sooner.
I think there will be a spot in the playoff system for Notre Dame and they stay independent. You would think if Notre Dame was seriously considering joining a conference because they could be left out of the playoff system then they would leak info to see how their fan base, alumni and boosters would react to it beforehand.
I agree with you. Now their non football might move over. Just wish it would have happened sooner. Skylar is a senior this year.
This guy gets it.
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As a former subscriber, take it from me, you'll get more info here from Bobby, Gerry, Jeff, etc in one day than you will from IT in a month.
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