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Ash has not made the next step to being a championships QB. Is there any reason to believe he ever will?
Mack still refuses to mostly play ones vs ones in the spring to see what he really has and challenge his QB.
The WRs were largely quiet against a bad second team defense save one bust to Davis and a KS flash.
Case is still Case. Swoopes is a long way off. Overstreet can't pass. The timing QB had bad timing.
The fast tempo was not fast.
The DBs and LBs seemed to play okay but it was against the 2s and freshmen QBs so who knows.
The d-line did nothing special outside of Blu even though they were mostly playing to second team O.
The top RBs did nothing special against the second team defense. The o-line no showed again.
The defense still has trouble with a mobile QB even if he is a freshman.
Yes there were some key players out with injuries but there are always key players out with injuries.
Is there ANYTHING in this scenario that indicates that the 2013 team will be better than 2012?
Is there ANY reason for optimism that this team can compete with OU?
Is there ANY indication that this is a championship team in the making?
What a shock. Another underachieving Mack Brown team in the making. Thank God he's energized!!!
Well, at least aggy is kicking his butt early in recruiting and poised for another big year so he can go ahead and load up with 3 stars early in the 2014 class.
This post was edited by InsightTexas 16 months ago
It's a spring game, man. Calm down.
Dude you really need some anti-depressant meds. It is the Spring game. Relax.
Mommy! Look! The Easter troll came last night!
Have a Happy Easter.
Thought I had been beamed over to TexAgs.....whew. Happy Easter Horn Fans!
"Is there ANYTHING in this scenario that indicates that the 2013 team will be better than 2012?"
- Yes, we have a great chance for a trademark Mack Brown 10-win season (followed by another minor bowl), because our opponents are weaker and less experienced in 2013. With only a 33% success rate in games against Top Ten teams, avoiding tough opponents is a big factor in Mack Brown's success at Texas. (7 of Mack's 10-win seasons were without a single win over a Top Ten team.)
"Is there ANY reason for optimism that this team can compete with OU?"
- Yes, because OU is rebuilding and likely won't be a Top Ten team. Mack has won 5 of 6 games when OU is not in the Top Ten. (Unfortunately, he's only won 1 of 9 when OU is in the Top Ten, so we better hope the Sooners don't improve too fast.)
The bottom line is that Mack can have a successful final season if he can avoid having to face top opponents. 2013 looks like a perfect scenario for Mack and DeLoss to rack up some easy wins, and hopefully march off into the sunset together.
I gave you an upvote for Easter. No other reason.
I will withhold judgement until after summer camp
Keep in mind as others have already stated, it's a spring game. Much of what we saw last night was pretty basic and it's designed to be that way. I would be willing to bet you that tempo is going to be a little faster on Aug 31st. I'll agree that Ash for a moment took a step back with those back to back picks and I think we would all like to see those decisions from him disappear. The problem is the alternatives behind him are not good and certainly unproven with respect to the other three QB's behind Case. I think we can still win with Ash though. He doesn't have to be great on every snap. He just needs to be consistently good overall. My biggest worry remains on defense. While noting that this is a spring game, there were some reasons to be optimistic last night on that side of the ball. Like others, my proof and judgement will come on Aug 31st. That's the day when all the speculation and wonder go out the window. Until then, let's hope we stay healthy and the kids continue to progress moving forward.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by txhookem78 16 months ago
Also I think UT is recruiting quite well right now. Much better than I thought it would go.
I will agree on Ash. This is the 3rd Spring for him and when I watch him he just doesn't have good QB instincts that are needed to be a top star QB. He has the tools and looks the part but something seems missing when watching him.
The good news is Swoopes showed a flash of those instincts on that one series. The difference between Swoopes and Overstreet right now is Swoops has the instincts and QB IQ while Overstreet doesn't. Both are raw but you can see something with Swoopes.
I really hope Brewer doesn't transfer. To me we need to move Overstreet to a DJ role to compliment Daje and give Brewer good reps along with Swoopes. Let Brewer battle Case for backup while Swoopes redshirts. That'll leave Ash-Case-Brewer for QB rotation this year and then next we'll have Ash-Brewer-Swoopes (not necessarily in that order) while Heard RS. That looks like a cleaner QB rotation and getting Overstreet the ball in space on offense would be much more beneficial.
This post was edited by Shamus McCoy 16 months ago
Have to agree. Overstreet is not a QB. Case isn't either.
I'd love to see Brewer backing up Ash and Swoopes redshirting.
I'd like to see Overstreet with the ball in his hands but not taking snaps.
I'd love to see Case holding the clipboard every play this season.
Looks like the aggies just picked up a new fan since Texas is dropping it's football program.
Ash is a guy who doesn't show very much in a practice type setting. If you watch in a practice or scrimmage, you kinda wonder if he is the guy or not, but when it comes game time Ash usually steps up and plays fairly well and makes some good decisions. At least Ash didn't try to get into a fight with a defensive assistant coach.
How many more troll threads before this one gets banned? Someone is asleep at the switch.
I don't agree. He had one great performance against OSU and two absolutely terrible performances against KU and TCU. Others ranged from good performances (TTU) to bad performances (KSU). He hasn't been consistently good at all much less a guy who steps up on game day consistently. I hope that changes but he hasn't earned that label yet.
Ash is by no means an elite QB but he's more than capable of winning games at this level. He's not Colt or Vince, in the sense hes going to be able to carry a team. The issue Ash may run into is that he's only going to be as good as the other parts of the roster allow him to be, and as of right now there's a lot of questions as to just how good some of those parts are, particularly the offense line and the defense.
Interesting the OP failed to mention that starters Jaxon Shipley, Jackson Jeffcoat, Trey Hopkins, and Josh Cochran were out for most, if not all of the spring & last night's game
Wonder if those players will make a difference on the team this year?
This post was edited by mcb0703 16 months ago
How much of a difference did they make last year?
Hmm, well considering this isn't last year, I would almost consider that a strange question had it not come a BAY fan
That being said, let's take a closer look...
Jaxon Shipley led the team in total receptions & averaged 12.5 ypc
Jackson Jeffcoat had 33 tackles, 4 TFL, & 4.5 sacks through 5 games, before injury vs OU
Cochran/Hopkins repeatedly praised for their improvement from 2011 & consistent play & projected starters for 2013
The OP has proven, yet again, that he has no insight into anything. Happy Easter dude. I left you a nice red cookie.
He needs a "team" around him. To not (he) carry the load.
"Don't know. Never had one"
-- D. Royal-Mack Brown how to coach a team after a losing season
I was there yesterday, Jackson ran a sloppy route and hesitated, the int was just as much about him as Ash. The shuttle pass was a bonehead play but it was well into the scrimmage and all but meaningless in a spring format, other than the fact that is exactly the format you want him to make that egregious mistake. I have been to all but one spring event the last 15 years and this was one of the better ones. It was encouraging overall and anything but discouraging and that applies to Ash's performance as well.
Also, it is obvious John Harris should be playing more . He is physical, fast enough and has more want to than most. He is the closest to a physical ,Ok State type receiver we have.
My only complaint is I would have liked to see Mack play Ash a bunch more. In my humble opinion Mack has always wasted the spring game opportunity by giving too many reps to 3rd string and walk ons. When you are facing a make or break year take every advantage you can. I understand he justifiably fears spring injuries, but there is not a better scrimmage setting before the real deal and we have a new offense and I would think need as much full speed work as we can get.
This post was edited by Paleohorn 16 months ago
I challenge you to re-watch the games from last season and check out Ash's stats. This is the most commonly accepted meme on Ash but I believe it to be highly inaccurate. In fact, OSU wasn't even his best game last year. That would be vaunted SEC foe...Ole Miss. And what about his game against WVU? What about ISU? You already mentioned Tech. He was solid against Baylor and New Mexico. Was the guy an All American last year? Of course not! But he was definitely solid. There were a lot more pressing reasons why we lost 4 games than David Ash. I don't know if he will beat OU, but I think he is good enough to beat anyone else in our conference given a better supporting cast.
And for the record, Ash didn't play against KSU. Not sure how you attribut him with a bad performance in that game. He was awful against KU. He was injured against TCU...and he happened to be the qb in one of the biggest physical whippings of my lifetime against OU.
Now I agree with your conclusion that he needs to step up and become MORE consistent. Where we disagree is that I believe he showed huge signs of progress from year 1 to year 2. His good to bad game ratio was about 2-1. If the guy stays healthy this year, and continues to progress at this rate, I think Ash will be a fine qb for the great university in Austin, Tx.
Our top 2 OLs, our #2 DE and our #2 WR.
JJ was #2 on the team in TFL despite missing half the season.
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