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With the glaring hole on the interior of the Longhorn defensive line, obviously Texas is going to need a quick fix somewhere down the line. Unlike on the Offensive line, the defensive line doesn't have the learning curve that their offensive counter parts do; so can the Horns start to look exclusively at Junior College talent in the heart of SEC Country where the talent is much better on that side of the ball than in the state of Texas anyway?
Brandon Moore wasn't a huge success in 2012, but he wasn't a total bust either and much better option than playing a much younger player in my opinion. Five star talent like MB II do not come along every season and is one and done really so bad at the DT position?
Why not focus on top Junior College players at the DT position? If they leave after one season; then just "reload" with another or if they give you two seasons then that is just one less season that a top 5 star kid would give you if he came in out of high school and played well and left early for the NFL. That 5 star kid out of high school is really only going to give you two possibly really good seasons at the most anyway as their first season they usually come in undeveloped physically.
There isn't a glaring hole. Check out the roster. Ridgeway will play tackle.
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Looking at his size, I guess it is possible.
I like shorter players at DT with more leverage, but he definitely almost has the weight to do it.
Signing 0 DL will eventually come back to haunt a team and makes the margin for error on evaluations razor thin.
Also the 2014 DT in TX is pedestrian at best.
Read the OP.
The one thing they need to do is find 3 DTs that they think can play for them. I don't care how highly a player is rated. If they can play for you, then go for it.
Ultimately there were probably 8 DTs in the state this year good enough to play for Texas. There will be close to that amount next year. Texas just needs to evaluate well and get after it.
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Good thing we gave Quincy Russell the finger.
Sounds like Russell isn't going to qualify.
Shouldn't we be looking at high school DE's as well? It seems many of them end up at DT in college anyway, once they hit a major college weight program. Plus, there are always players who fly under the radar before making a recruiting splash their senior year.
The simple solution is to just let Mack Brown start evaluating RBs again.
GP coming in hot today
The problem isn't next year per se. It's 2014 and beyond. Not getting anyone this year puts heavy pressure on those on campus to hit and stay healthy.
Additionally, by blowing this year completely along the DLine it changes the strategy in future years. So this years failure is going to end up affecting other positiions in future years b/c we're playing catch up.
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I always thought the rule of thumb should be a recruit for every position. It will vary over time, but that would mean Texas should take 2 DTs a year. Though I am starting to wonder if a 3-4 defense makes sense for Texas. Lot of versatile DTs that could be 3-4 DEs. Missing the NG though. I could see Shiro filling in that "suggs" LB spot nicely.
I did and I responded to Rick's post not the OP where he was claiming there is no glaring hole. Offered up an opinion there will be one. Not sure why it upset you so.
Well obviously you didn't; because I threw an idea out there to focus on Junior College players in the deep south that are older, more developed physically and maybe more prepared to contribute than a 18 or 19 year old kid from Texas.
Look people, we seem to be a little delusional when it comes to Texas talent. Does this state have a lot of talent? YES IT DOES. But talent on the interior of the defensive line in this state hasn't necessarily compared very well with the talent at the same position in the deep south.
Take five star talents like Jamarkus McFarland and Frank Okam. Were they average or good? That is debatable; but my point is that they were not GREAT. Besides Tommie Harris, I cannot remember another 5 star talent out of a Texas highschool that was a great or very good player on the college level at any interior position on the Defensive line.
I'm all ears if I am missing one or can't remember one...
M Brown will make that list. Looked dominant at All-Star games. Was excellent for a true freshman. The flip-side is a guy like Melton. Clearly with proper development, he makes the list. Just took awhile to get him to DT. YOu have Roy Miller enjoying a pro career. Randall was an excellent college player. Hampton was awhile ago, but great. Ty Warren and ROdgers both fit that category. Taylor Philips was a Baylor kid that went 1st rnd, not sure where is from. Babineaux was a 2nd round pick.
Rod Wright and DeMarcus Granger.
Agree that Texas does not seem to put out a lot of 5* DTs. But with only ~30 5 stars nationwide, there aren't that many 5* DTs nationwide in any given year anyway.
I was really talking about the last decade. Roy Miller was very good, but not great. Melton played DE in college and Randall was good, but again not great.
The last players that the State of Texas had to DOMINATE the interior of the defensive line that were lineman out of high school were Casey Hampton and Shawn Rogers.....really think about that.
Again Rodrique Wright, Frank Okam, Jamarkus McFarland all were underachieving five star talents.
The best Longhorn DT in the last decade that came close to dominating the LOS was Lamar Houston and he was a fullback coming out of high school.
Really think about that.
I did think about that. Melton was a RB. I simply pting out that their are players here. Is it Melton's fault he was put in the wrong position by coaches? You were questioning talent. Clearly, he had that in spades. Fact that the coaches failed to get him to play to his full potential does not dismiss his talent. I still think there is a chance Whaley follows a similar path and becomes a better pro than a college player.
I did read your post and agree with the premise of it as an FYI.
My post was responding to Rick not yours.
They didn't play on the defensive line in high school because probably from a lack of size.
You continue to miss my point.
I get your pt and agree that Texas isnt producing DL talent like they are in the southeast, but I was pting out there are players here. I just do not agree that, because they played a different spot in HS that eliminates them.
I guess where you missed my point was that players like Houston nor Melton weren't ready to play on the interior of the defensive line at the college level out of high school and had to "grow" into that role while the kids that have the size and experience coming out of Texas high schools haven't performed at a high level often compared to kids in the southeast at the same position.
Kind of re-enforces my original point/question to start the thread regarding focusing on Junior College prospects.
getting circular, but what happens if Texas saw that Melton ate a few too many cheeseburgers when he showed up as a freshman? The move was not made until his junior yr. Even then the move was made to DE. My pt was what if Texas made the proper evaluation much earlier in the process? That is not on the talent pool, but on the coaching staff.
Secondly, most kids are not ready to play DT right out of high school. That is an amazingly small group that comes in and plays from the start as a true frosh at a power school. Suh was one of the best DTs I have ever seen in college. He did not start until he was a redshirt soph. The Tommie Harris's of the world are incredibly rare. You are basically asking why are there not more comets in the sky.
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