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Great Universitys are good for business and bring the types of comercial and intellectual enterprises that make Texas stronger and protect future growth. There are always short sighted people who can never see past their own pocketbook. Public education is under attack everywhere from these kind of people.
The reason that our Universitys should be funded properly. I'm tired of a certain type of politician appealing to the luddites among us and at the same time making their moneyed supporters and cronies wealthy.
Oh the 60's and early 70's. I know they must still be very upseting for you, but if you don't know Cal Berkley is one of the great Universitys of our nation then you don't know much about higher education.
What you just wrote means you know nothing of what you wrote. Good things can be done under the guide of a hidden agenda. And if you think it stopped then, you are naive. But thanks for playing.
But whatever. This is very far afield from whether UT should be protected from those who would damage the University. And I'm playing at what?
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Dang Powers has really aged over the years.
We see things differently. I responded to a question earlier but you chose to take a shot at me and that's cool. We don't have to see eye to eye. However, I respect your right to do as you see fit. Hopefully, you respect my right to see things a different way as well without dismissing the way in which I see it.
If more people had followed my advice we never would have had to put up witrh Gov Good Hair in the first place.
All of the students I refer to as foreign are born and reared in a country other than America and their parents may or may not have ever visited America and would not be citizens. Many return to India or China after they receive their education.
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Where are you getting your figures on who these kids are, where they come from? Out of state or out of the country kids are very miniscule in the undergrad population regardless of ethnicity. The spots are simply filled up by available, qualified, local kids. There's no room at the Inn.
Again, I suspect you're confusing Asian/Indian kids who were born here, grew up here, are in our children's HS's. At my son's HS, in Austin, the population is 40% Asian/Indian. They're both Texan and American in every sense of the word. They're also killing it in terms of academics. I give them credit, they're raising the bar for all the kids and the entire community benefits. Certainly hasn't hurt the value of my house to have them around, everybody wants to live in the district. Doesn't hurt the University either.
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I won't debate with you because I don't want to tread into forbidden waters of the 21st century.
Our own HR director at my engineering/manufacturing firm (oil and gas industry) will support this article 100%, except that he actually prefers Tech grads over Aggies. (He is a Purdue grad, nothing personal)
His own words, my paraphrase - "Tech grads are 8 out of 10 plug and play, Aggies maybe 6 or 7 out of 10. But you have be selective and waste a lot of time recruiting UT engineers." "It's not an intelligence or ability thing, it's a social and personality-based thing."
So great. Whatever that means. But HR directors everywhere agree.
So let's just enjoy being elite I guess.
Actually you do want to debate, you just want to make inferences without taking responsibility for what you leave only partially unsaid.
If HR directors everywhere agreed, average starting salaries for Tech grads would be higher than those of UT grads. Guess what? They aren't.
Baylor Law grads are highly lauded for being "plug and play" becuase they have an extremely rigorous training system. UT Law is much more theoretical. Guess where the best firms hire from?
Helping to spread american values and culture to other parts of the world, and giving our Texas kids a little knowledge about the rest of the world is well worth the few spots foreign students take up. Although unless things have changed alot since I was at Texas, not many Texas kids take advantage of having foreign students on campus. Those that do are better off for it. It is pretty cool when a young Chinese man flashes the Hook um horns in Changsha because of the T shirt I'm wearing. By the way the main reason so many students don't stay is because of our screwed up immigration laws. By the way I think J frank Dobie and Prescott Webb would have agreed with me, and I know Dr Taborsky would have.
Some do as they are told, others think out of the box. HR always prefer "do as your told". thats why they are HR directors and not CEOs. Although, I have met a lot of CEOs who prefer HR directors who hire guys that just do their job and don't think out of the box. The world needs worker bees to, but I never wanted my son or daughter to be one.
I posted a link (random among several)
You posted words.
Good Lord, nice save....
HR directors are idiots.
You quoted my post about foreign kids, but followed by saying you didn't want to tread into forbidden waters, then added anecdotal nonsense about Tech grads being preferred over UT grads.
You're tossing darts all over the map trying to make inferred points about foreign kids at UT, about UT grads beign too full of it, neither of which make any sense. The foreign kids aren't "foreign", they're US citizens, they're at UT because they literally are the hardest workers and the smartest kids in this state, and they're pursued by hiring companies paying higher salaries than the school you listed, Tech.
Other than that, you were dead on.
Your other (what seems personal) agenda aside, I posted a link. So whatever you construe as "anecdotal" is pretty much widely accepted thought process.
I choose to be troubled by it. Apparently you're going the denial route. The latter of which will result in absolutely nothing done to change or rectify this reality. Whether it is driven by correct or incorrect perception, it's still a reality. I would think recruiters just want to shine by recruiting the best fit for their companies. I highly doubt there is anything conspiratorial or underhanded about any of this, and from my personal exposure to this situation, I know there isn't. It just is what it is.
And to be (what would appear to me to be) unnecessarily clear, I am speaking of employment recruiting of engineers. Not starting salaries spread across all majors. I didn't think it was terribly confusing quite honestly.
Not to get in the middle of dispute but your article didn't seem to be just about engineers and it was filled with Universitys that don't even compare to UT although a couple would rank higher. Anyway most of these type of lists don't make much sense anyway. I wouldn't put much credence in any list you get out of a magazine. They tend to have some sort of bias. But since this WJ article rated Penn St tops of state universitys it might be interesting to note that it also said they have students from 131 foriegn countries.
You either choose to believe the marketplace or you don't, in this case I assume because you have an axe to grind. You've got a population of either n=1 or n=2 if you choose to add your HR guy. The rest of academia and the hiring marketplace disagree.
You are so correct and I apologize. I started this by observation of a situation at my company, and then I went and grabbed a random link because I know so many articles have been written about this. The "engineers" emphasis was with regard to my personal situation, but not necessarily within the context of the link I grabbed. I am sorry.
And right. It is filled with Universities that don't compare to UT, or at least so we have been told to believe by some type of establishment and it's ranking system. We all know it's harder to get into UT, that's for sure.
I wouldn't put a lot of credence if I weren't seeing this in real life. Texas Tech? Better employees than UT grads? I don't like it.
The problem here lies with US Immigration and how they issue green cards and visas.
We'll give out student visas and then kick them out of the country once they have an advanced education.
Green cards and permanent residencies should be handed out like candy after graduation rather than showing them the door.
Very, very shortsighted immigration policy to ship the brightest minds back home when the majority would stay here and contribute to our economy if we only gave them the chance.
But thats a different conversation.
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