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He isn't old Tiger yet, but his wedge control is back and his iron game is sharp. That along with his short game touch returning should be enough to keep him in contention. Crappy Tiger was still a top two golfer in the world.
With as good as he is with his long irons (maybe the best ever), I have always wondered why he didn't just leave the driver in the bag.
Please consider the physics. A cannon ball cannot stay in the air without backspin? It's a function of velocity and trajectory. It frequently has nothing to do with backspin. A golf ball is the same. It's being propelled forward, usually with a variety of spin, either rightward, upward or leftward. Or neutral.
Strongly disagree about the Golf Channel analysis. Brambel Chamblee , Nick Faldo and David Faherty are usually spot on.
Tiger is trying to diminish his right side for the same reason Hogan did. The ideal game for a right hander is a a left side dominant game but difficult to master because of a stronger right side. Currently Tiger displays a very, very weak right hand grip with the "vee" of his right hand grip pointed to his center chest. He, like Hogan in later years, has begun to favor the fade. As you say, the timing is easier. And indeed it is. Tiger today hit some true rainbows that might feel a slicer feel proud. I saw some shots move from left to right 30-40 yards and under control. Remarkable.
What fascinated me about Tiger was the almost extreme "working" of the ball. He was moving the ball 30-50 yds sideways on many holes. In his earlier career he was a power player. Many of his shots in this tournament were nearly sideways. Personally I love seeing someone work the ball like this. He seems to have reached a stage where he truly understands mastery of ball control.
A cannon ball is not propelled by a club face with loft on it. I assure that even a pull hook has backspin on it.
Faldo, Chamblee, and Faherty know their business. Their breakdowns on the golf channel are targeted for very amateur golfers, and are generally oversimplified and just not worth the time. Same for Breed or that Brit who's name eludes me at the moment. The CBS and NBC breakdown are no better.
Btw, Hogan didn't want to diminish his right side. Three right hands and all if your recall 5L. He just learned how to use it all without the club turning over. Hitting vs. swinging if you will.
Tiger isn't hitting those big sliders because he likes hitting 40 yard fades. It's his go to shot when he's fighting his swing, and he's been fighting his driver for years. When he times it well it comes off. He's been getting ahead of it for a long time and has been forced to stall and throw it with the driver. That leads to all sorts of closure and timing issues. He's still coming off his feet at impact too. Part of that is to make room for the extended radius of a throw, and part of that is because he's never getting his left hip over his left ankle, even with his narrow stance, and the only way to turn from there is to get the foot off of the ground.
I think he's swinging better than what Haney had him doing. Certainly more athletically, but I don't think he'll ever be consistent with the driver again with his current method. He can generally get by with fairway woods and stinger off the tee combined with his stellar iron play, and his best bets for more majors will come at Augusta where inaccuracy from the teebox isn't penalized like a U.S. or British Open.
Just, like, my opinion man.
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Mchief - I think you need a physics lesson. A ball with true topspin will have an extremely hard time flying more than 50 yds. It isn't physically possible to carry that kind of ball very far because of the angle you have to create the topspin with. True topspin just doesn't make sense. It can be created in tennis because the ball is already in the air.
I have no idea why an instructor would teach a kid to miss hit a golf ball to produce something that is unrealistic. And maybe he's just calling it topspin to avoid having to say you're creating less backspin or drag. But if your son wants to control his golf ball, I'd start with using the middle of the club face. Maybe he's just using this as a drill to help your son understand how to hit a driver on the upswing? I really have no idea without being there but lots of young players tee it low and hit down on the golf ball like they would their iron shots. That will create more backspin.
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On Tiger, the key for me when I watch him is his transition. When he rushes that it could literally go anywhere. It all depends on how much he's able to recover at the bottom. When he stays in rythym and doesn't try to mash it, he's actually hitting it straighter than he has in years. Granted that isn't very hard.......those last few years with Haney were awful.
I don't know if I've ever seen him hit as many drivers as he did this week. For three rounds he was as good as anybody. Today was a different story. Was it a lack of focus do to a big lead or slow play? Don't know but he hit some nasty shots that were never a part of his game even when he was at his worst.
I was wondering if he was getting tired yesterday. Started out like gangbusters and the hit some squirrelly ones late.
If he can put the driver in the fairway then it's pretty much game over.
Actually I think Tiger has begun to work the ball like I've never seen before. Some of his ball strikes were "banana" balls (almost sideways "slices" to the right) but under perfect control. In the past the guy was a pure power striker but this is really different. He's combining pure power with "work" on the ball. Personally I think it's quite remarkable. This course appeared most suitable to to it. The trees were small on the right and the roughs were beaten down by traffic. But, I don't see this succeeding in the Open. The Open will require a lot of very accurate 3 woods instead of drivers off the tee. I enjoy seeing the ball working the way he's been playing it. Blades can be difficult but also remarkable in the hands of a master craftsman. He's become a power/technician.
It seems to me that Tiger is now reducing his right side's involvement, employing a really weak right hand. Take a look at the grip. The "vee" of his right hand is near center chest instead of right shoulder. Given his strength he can get away with it. But, most shots will be be a variation of fade or cut.
Thank God this guy is back!!
No reason to be argumentative but flight of a struck/projected object is a function of velocity and trajectory. One can project an object forward with enough velocity to have it land in never, never land, so long as the trajectory and velocity are adequate; all of it notwithstanding spin. A forward or down spin will tend to bring it to earth sooner than a backspin but the trajectory and velocity are key. Again, envision an early cannon firing a spherical ball several miles without any spin whatsoever. I don't deny that backspin contributes to sustained altitude; personally I'm ignorant about that but it's just not necessary to sustained flight. See a physicist.
Christ, I'm an English major and lawyer; what the crap do I know about any of this shit? Probably not much.
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Tiger will have a different plan for different golf courses. He won an Open on this very golf course and he didn't hit many fairways. He knows how to position himself and where he can miss it.
Augusta is a riddle he hasn't solved in quite some time........
True. This guy was all over this course. Everything was ugly but the scoring. I did enjoy the working of the ball but this is quite a different Tiger.
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He's again an amazing guy to watch. It's very entertaining. He's has a variety of swings now that compare to Bubba Watson's. It is a little tense watching him align his feet left toward the ocean, expecting a fade, and knowing that he has a tendency sometimes to allow the toe to come over the ball at impact. The Open could be interesting. I cannot imagine him using his driver much there; perhaps he'll use a 3 wood or 1 iron.
Don't see the comparison between Bubba and Tiger other than they both hit it far and can curve it. Don't think I've ever seen Tiger hitting a 1 iron either.
Or he might use a unicorn.
I'm pretty much the same on Tiger, with the thought that he might chase down 82 quicker. He's much improved from the last two years IMO.
7 away - could win 4 or 5 this year IMO.
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He played better through Sunday than he had in two or three years. He's healthy and his head is back in a decent place. His swing is better. If he can make a few putts; I'll be surprised if he doesn't pick up another major before the year is done. He won't ever dominate the tour like he did during the 2000's. He can't put like he did then; and there are simply too many exceptional young players on tour. When McElroy is on; he is everything that Tiger was during his prime. Jack didn't have the level of talent to compete against that are on the tour today. Watson and Trevino. Two very good players; but there probably are five-10 on the tour who could play with them.
Erin Hogan chides Sean Adams on Adams betting Eldrick wins Augusta yesterday....
As long as Tiger keeps hitting the fifty yard banana ball, hes a lock for Augusta.
He'll keep hitting it. Whether he intends to hit it is another matter.
The Masters course changes a few years ago really hurt the big hitting righties that fade it. This really changed the 13th and a couple of others off the tee IMO.
Those sight lines have drastically changed, and pretty much forces the power hitting righties to turn it right to left - and that is a scary shot with creek to the left IMO.
I really believe that is why left handers and right handers, that play a natural draw, are more the favorites at The Masters these days.
For a lefty on 13, they can tee up on the left hand side of the box and hit a cut off the tree line down the right that wasn't there before the course changes of a few years ago. It's much more inviting to the eye and shot shape IMO.
I really wonder about Tiger's driving. Some of the fades he's hitting have become slices. Occasionally a "fade" becomes a draw when the toe gets over the top. It doesn't look consistent at all to me. I can't remember him from the past playing so sideways from the tee. It works on some courses like Torrey Pines where you can play from an adjacent fairway but as you point out a tighter course could be problematic. The rest of his game looks quite sound.
It was pretty consistent for 3 days
Sometimes that's good enough to win a major, and sometimes it's not. The week before it was not so good. Extremely timing dependent right now in my opinion.
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