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A lot of people bash Coach Saban me thinks mostly out of envy. However one sees it, can't help but admire the man's body of work. There is a method to his success. See link below.
From the Scout publishers, here's the inside info on the key questions this spring.
SEC offenses are a joke. Defensive stats are skewed in that league.
Not all of them but most of them yes. For whatever reason everyone seems to apply a Bama/LSU defense to Vandy, Arky, Ole Miss etc etc etc.. and they aren't close to on par. Pathetic offenses help as well.
As for Saban. No question he can coach but he's as dirty as they get and thus mostly why folks don't like him.
I don't care for his methods but if I had to win one game he would be the coach I picked
How come no conference can use their great offense to dethrone the SEC? How many consecutive championships has the league won? Its getting embarrassing that the SEC has basically kept the MNC.
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Can't really argue with that, but when they allow two teams from the same conference to make the title game it is hard for it to anywhere else. In a year where everyone else is not good, sure, but when there are multiple teams with good cases for the MNC game it should not end up that way....but it did.
Why? Did you not watch Texas/Bama? With true freshman QB Texas got within a score. His defense was dominating. He went conservative with offense. Then goes for a 50 yd FG and gives Horns a short field? Really? Play conservative or don't, but pick one please. Almost blew it. Did it this year vs LSU again. He knows he has kicking problems and again attempts 3 kicks over 49 yds. At MSU he was solid. He admits he his defense is stolen from other people. He is not a footballs genious in Xs and Os sense, but I would not want to recruit against him. There is a reason he is the second most successful MSU coach of the last 20 yrs and s forgotten man in the NFL.
I did watch texas/bama. Saw him raise a crystal trophy. I saw bama/lsu and saw him raise another trophy. Theres no other coach I would want.
Yep. Says it all. Did at LSU too. That's three titles in a span of about ten years. Lets not kid ourselves. He is the real deal. His former DT coach has brought some of that nastiness to the interior of our D-Line. Our guys are playing a whole lot better and frankly we are recruiting better at the position. Great move to go JUCO to fix a problem he saw coming with us losing Howell.
Also people forget how bad 'Bama was before he got there. Anyone remember Shula coaching Bama? How about LSU before he got there. They were ok but now that program is great.
That solves it, because the best recruiter has never won a title.
I don't follow.
Bama was bad? Now you sound like Sooner fans that say Stoops came in with zero talent. Go look and see how shula recruited. Listen the guy is a great recruiter and runs a hell of a program. Very much like Mack. Also recruits an extra class every 4 yrs. In 1 game he doesn't make my list. Building a program he is right at the top of the list. Hell, I wish Texas had half his luck. 3 titles, injured QBs in 2 of them and gets in the 3rd after finishing 2nd in his division.
Hows this for a joke:
2006--FL 41 Ohio State 14 (Big 10 Loser)
2007--LSU 38 Ohio State 24 (Big 10 loser)
2008--FL 24 Oklahoma 14 (Big 12 Loser)
2009--Bama 37 Texas 21 (Big 12 Loser)
2010--Auburn 22 Oregon 19 (Pac 10 Loser)
2011--'Bama 21 LSU 0 (All SEC)*
Can't blame them for Oklahoma State not taking care of business. It would have been OSU vs 'Bama. I think Bama would have won. nothing against OSU but they couldn't hold Stanford to save their lives. That game just about came down to the last play.
Winning a title doesn't make you a great coach. Talent doesn't always need a leader. Call Barry Switzer, he can explain
Man we put up 21 with Gilbert at the helm.
I agree with that. But that wasn't your first argument. You said he went conservative against a frosh QB. You didn't like all the field goals he kicked.. I never once said they weren't talented. They obviously are. Extremely. I was just arguing against your points.
Again stand by what I said. There is no one else I would want. Not Mack, Stoops, Miles, Kelly or Meyer. Although Meyer would be plan B for me.
Talent doesn't always need a leader? Surely you jest.
You actually never argued any of my examples of poor coaching during those games. I did not even mention the jackass punt fake call. You ignored them and went into how bad Bama was before him. It is all good. I do not think he is a great field coach. I think he is a recruiter/program builder. You and Coach like his play-calling. This is what makes the world go around
I don't think I ever mentioned how bad bama was. What are you talking about?
Confused you with horn4life. My bad
He's got a few titles that confirm his tenure as a college coach.There are not too many people debating whether Switzer was a good coach at the college level. Not many teams were keen to run up against those powerhouse squads the sooners put together under Switzer. Heck our coach coached for him. I hated them but I admired the talent on their teams.
No worries. Carry on
That is where we disagree. There are plenty of ways to win. There are coaches that win through great teaching and game plans. Some win by out-talenting people. I disagreed with the statement that in one game Saban is the best. That implies he is a great game coach and game planner. I disagree. I think he is a grteat evaluator of talent and kills it in the living room. With his personality I have no idea how he does it, but he does it. It does not make him a bad coach. I hate when people say Mack is bad, because all he can do is recruit. Well recruiting is 60-70 percent of the game in college. In one game give me Rhoads or Synder. Winning doesn't mean you are great at every facet of coaching. It just means you are great at some aspects
Not sure about Rhoads but Snyder is an outstanding mention.
Wait, Saban isn't a great coach?
I love Rhoads. He is fantastic. He can never be mentioned amongst great coaches, because he will never have the talent to succeed at a high enough level. Why I say recruiting is an important aspect and actually larger percentage of a college coaches job. Probably why recruiting has become a viable media business
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