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Facing pressure from college and high school coaches, the NCAA on Thursday decided to suspend rule changes that would have allowed for...
1. Virtually unlimited text messaging and contact with recruits by college coaching staffs, and;
2. Give non-on-the-field members of college coaching staffs the ability to evaluate talent.
So what does this mean for Texas and coach Mack Brown, who has been pro-active hiring a new director of player personnel director, Pat Suddes, as well as a few additional assistants?
Here's the deal.
Suddes, nor anyone reporting to him, can evaluate players.
However, Suddes and his team can collect film and provide it to the coaches in a more timely manner. They can monitor news and information about recruiting and player personnel decisions.
His team can also help with all marketing aspects of recruiting, from the website and videos of the team and coaches to prospective players to the actual letters (and volume of them) that the players receive.
In other words, outside of actual evaluation of players, nothing changes.
It's at this point where I think it's important for folks to understand what Coach Brown has been saying on the likelihood of these rules being suspended since they were originally approved several months ago.
This is why Brown was reticent to just begin hiring people and throwing bodies at a problem.
The way Brown set this system up allows for Texas to continue to operate within the rules of the NCAA without losing most of the value that the subsequent hires have created.
Bottom line: this rule does not materially affect Texas and the people they have hired to help with player personnel//recruiting. The player personnel department moves forward and will benefit Texas football for years to come despite the NCAA's suspension of rule changes.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by BobbyBurton 11 months ago
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Rule 2 seems unenforceable to me. How can the NCAA hope to police who is doing evaluations on a staff?
Does the rule against evaluting a prospect extend to breaking down the film they collect? Obviously Suddes and his staff would be precluded from practices and games. How would the film room be monitored?
I don't know how it would be monitored but IMO the collection and breaking down of film is certainly different than evaluating a player on video.
They can't. A lot of these colleges have to police themselves which is exactly what the coaches don't want because it leads to cheaters.
It also doesn't appear that this would prevent them from being in contact with high school coaches. As long as they aren't directly evaluating players in person it sounds like they are okay.
Whats to stop them from only compiling film on players they have personally "evaluated"
Wow. Thanks for the response Bobby. Yeah, that was exactly what I thought. This is a terrible decision by the NCAA then. Essentially you are putting programs with integrity at a disadvantage. It would be different if the NCAA had any ability to enforce the rule. But what other governing institution depends entirely on self-policing and reporting for law enforcement? Either allow the evaluations or do away with these staff members all together. That's the way I see it at least.
It should be noted that these rules do not apply to the SEC.
NCAA just cannot handle any issue without embarrassing itself or hurting others in the process...or both
This post was edited by mcb0703 11 months ago
I think the big schools are going to break away from the NCAA. Putting the Universities of Alabama, Texas, Florida and Ohio State in the same category as say the University of Delaware is bullsh*t.
We are different. There doesn't need to be a level playing field.
The NCAA is in the way and their "discipline" is completely arbitrary. Time for them to regulate something else.
Texas has been at a disadvantage for years. How many times have we heard recruits say they are hearing from other programs but not Texas during quiet periods. You can bet your ass that Alabama and other schools will have non-on-the-field members of their college coaching staffs evaluating talent. If the NCAA cannot enforce their rules then there shouldn't be rules put in place.
Stupid is as Stupid does
So what are those 40 people on the football staff at Alabama going to do with their time if they cannot do evaluations or bombard recruits with text messages?
The NCAA can't police this, but UT's tendency has been to interpret the regulations to avoid any taint. We've been like a taxpayer who always pays the maximum tax possbile out of fear of being contested by the IRS,when more aggressive interpretation of the laws may have saved a lot of money. In an unenforceable gray area like this, there's nothing unethical about interpreting the NCAA rules as aggressively as possible. It just takes some guts on the part of the bureaucracy.
What the UT Administration doesn't want to acknowledge is that D-1 has gotten more competitive, and our major programs are struggling. We can't afford to play it absolutely safe anymore, and expect to consistently be part of the national title picture.
They have been there since 2007 working away. There are no rules preventing them from having them on staff.
Also looking at Bamas football staff they have 5 people in the personnel department and only 6 analysts (down from 9 the last 2 years as 3 were hired away on other staffs) .
Mack could have had an army of staff since he got here in 1998 and still can.
Researching the rules there is nothing in place to prohibit hiring a personnel department or analysts to subsidize coaching. The redaction of the doesn't change anything.
Personnel people are not supposed to contact recruits or evaluate and analysts are forbidden from being on the field coaches.
As a practical matter the NCAA is creating a distinction without a real difference. No recruiting coordinators are going to compile information on players they don't like, just to appear ethical. There is implicit "evaluation" in deciding whom to see, on whom to compile information, whom to contact, etc. To believe that programs are going to have serial processes -- 1. recruiting coordinators give a pile of info to coaches; 2. Coaches evaluate; 3. Coaches provide targets to recruiting coordinators; 4. Recruiting coordinators reach out to targets -- is naïve. There will be group discussions and all programs will be operating in a hazy, gray area. Another terrible idea from the NCAA, ripe for intended and unintended abuse.
In the meantime, Mack was correct in this instance, despite criticism from some, to take a more measured approach.
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Its all about ethics!
Do any of the rules apply to them?
Yeah if you don't bend the rules as much as possible you're gutless!
By the way, what you're describing may not be illegal or against the rules, but it's the very definition of unethical. You might want to do some light reading on the subject.
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need to get a definition of "evaluate."
i'm betting anything the ncaa definition means "seeing the player in person."
everything about the NCAA is a joke. History has proven that there are coaches and programs that will take advantage of anything and everything they can. Yet they are going to rely on the ethics and morals of coaches like Nick Saban, Lane Kiffin, and Urban Meyer as self-policing?
Is there a specific rule in the NCAA rulebook prohibiting non on the field coaches from evaluating recruits?
That's cute. Good luck with that.
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