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I think I'd prefer Mack.
While we all trash Mack for being old, senile, and stuck in his ways... I at least see changes in Mack with regards to recruiting, as well as coaching changes (minus Diaz). You can feel the hunger in Mack to prove us wrong.
I feel like Rick is regressing just as much as Mack, but with less skins on the wall and more hard headedness. A few weeks ago it was telling the media that he told his players that he'd fire them. He has yet to take responsibility for his team's poor performance.
I'm sick of seeing our teams under achieve. This is the lowest point in the last decade for the major two men's sports as a whole... And in all honesty, I see a happier ending for Brown than Barnes.
If you had to take a guess as to which coach would end their UT career on a high note, who'd you take?
Brown winning a BCS game or Barnes making the Elite 8?
I'll take Mack... No brainer, imo.
Since I invest far more time and money in our football program at this point in my life, I'll take Rick. I don't advocate for either of them at this point, but one impacts my life much less than the other.
Results wise they are similar. Rick primarily has to do it on his own. Mack has to depend on outstanding assistants to stand a chance. However, I gave up on Barnes after he did little with a Kevin Durant led team. I love basketball but I can't stand watching bad basketball on any level, regardless of who is playing. It is a direct reflection on the head coach.
Each coach's success hinges on one or two totally dominant player-of-the-year guys to make them successful like TJ Ford, Kevin Durant, Vince Young
Not sure why, but Barnes strikes me as a douche. Give me Mack.
Because Texas is dominated by football, Barnes gets off the hook every year. People always commend him for making the tournament every year being at a school that doesn't care about basketball, but why does that matter? He brings in top recruiting classes every year, has transcendent players such as Durant, TJ Ford, and Lamarcus, and he has ONE final four to show for it. He's a terrible coach who knows he won't get fired anytime soon, barring a major scandal within the program, and is content just sailing along collecting paychecks.
Barnes has put himself in a position with his scholarship management where this year has been a disaster, in large part to Kabongo's suspension. I think both Mack and Barnes have done good jobs in their tenures, but I think Rick has done a better job for a number of reasons, but it is primarily evidenced by the raised expectation level of the basketball team. Back in the Penders era, getting to the tournament in a very medicore basketball conference was considered reason for celebration. Now that we've been 14 years in a row with Barnes, it's not longer good enough. I hope Rick can take a more experienced (and full) roster next year and have a great season, but if not, I'll be fine with parting ways with him. I just don't think this year's dissapointment can be attributed to poor coaching near as much as I think it's a combination of bad luck (Kabongo suspension, Holmes and Bond injuries) and not brining in enough players in previous classes to make sure that there are at least a few upper classmen in the program to lead and contribute.
Mack hugs with his eyes closed. Not sure about Rick's hug game. Gotta go with Mack
I see them the same. Time to move on from both.
I've met Rick Barnes before and he seemed very friendly and far from a douche. I think he is far more genuine as a player and as a coach than Mack Brown. I wish he had recruited bigger classes recently but now he's paying the price. I would say Barnes is the better coach while Brown is a much better hand clapper.
If Rick and Mack traded places, would anyone notice?
I honestly don't see how anyone can say that Barnes is a good coach. Has he ever had a team overachieve? Ever since the 2007 and 2008 seasons, his team has been in a steady decline and we've had some very talented teams that were flat-out disasters (going from #1 to unranked and a 1st round tourney exit).
Bad coaches don't typically have 15-year tenures at major colleges. He may not be one of the top 10 coaches in college basketball, but Barnes is plenty good as a coach. Keep in mind that Austin is not the mecca of College Basketball, so it's not like we're going to run Barnes off and be able to bring in Izzo, Coach K, or Self. And for the poster who thinks Barnes is a douche, you might actually spend some time with the guy before deciding that. He has his shortcomings, as we all do, but he's very well liked by most. He is a drill seargent type coach that is going to rub certain guys the wrong way, but the discipline he instills in his players has been good for them in their lives after college.
I agree that those 3 you named won't go anywhere, but we can definitely pull some of the up-and-comers (Shaka Smart as an example). I also agree that the discipline that Barnes coaches with is great for the kids and I love having a no-nonsense team mentality. However, his style of play, preparation, and in-game coaching are horrible. Without a lethal scorer, it looks like we're running our offense in quicksand and our free throw shooting boggles my mind (it's not a coincidence that his teams have always been terrible at FTs). He's so stubborn that he won't make drastic changes in-game when its obvious to everyone in the building that it's needed. He's done great things for our school and is a nice guy, but I just wish Texas wouldn't settle for an average basketball program
You don't know much about basketball.
“Kansas may wind up number one in these polls, but that would be so unfair to Texas...” -- Len Elmore, 2/13/11
When people bring up the Duran team I want to avoid them completely. They have no idea about the sport. Then you have your crowd that believes Barnes can't coach his way out of a paper bag, knows nothing about the game and just lucked his way through life. They believe Brad Stevens would die to come here and that Shaka Smart should beg us for an offer. Texas basketball fans are among the worst.
average? Do you have any idea what that means? Free throw shooting complaint? You belong on shaggybevo
Unfortunately perception is reality.
Durant might be the best/worst thing to happen to Rick at the same time.
Yes. 2006-07, 2007-08, and 2010-11 were all years of over-achievement, despite the losses in 4/5 games. While the tournament is the big prize at the end of the year, it is silly to measure a team's season entirely by the number of games in plays in the tournament. Going into the 2006-07 season, one should not have reasonably expected a 12-4 conference season with two games against Kansas going to the wire. The following year, Texas was ranked 15th/16th preseason, but wound up regular season co-champs with the eventual national champion, a team that was preseason #4.
This is not to say Texas isn't in the midst of a bad five year run, because it is. I say "midst," but I sure hope this year will be the end of it. Texas has to have a good year next year. A very good year. Or else.
I am rooting for a Night of the Long Knives event with the entire Athletic Department led by some angry, powerful boosters. Fire Barnes, Brown, Plonsky, the entire female coaching leadership outside of Volleyball, force Garrido and Dodds into retirement, and let tennis, swimming & diving, and golf stay as long as they are productive. Keep Applewhite and a couple of other assistants if the new head guy wants them. Let the whole thing burn and recover from the cancerous disease it's being destroyed by currently.
So, yeah, time for them both to go. 15 years is a long time anywhere, and too long in both cases at Texas.
A free throw is the easiest way to score in a basketball game and is one of the basic fundamentals that has plagued us over years. We've left so many points at the line, especially in the last few minutes of games, that it's sickening. How can you say this isn't a legit complaint? Announcers and analysts always bring up the fact that we are such a poor FT shooting team, so obviously I'm not the only one to see it as a big problem.
Yeah, great idea, that'll encourage coaches that want to build a program to come to Texas.
You need to do some research.
This year's team is beyond bad at it. I shudder to think what their percentage would be without McClellan. But it's a young team. One we knew going into the year couldn't shoot them for shit. Similar to Tristan. Ibeh and Ridley are lucky to hit the goal. Papi, Felix, Holmes, Lammert.......those guys will be just fine moving forward. Their stroke is fine. I have no idea why Juice misses them. I don't blame Barnes anymore than I give him credit for McClellan.
As long as you are in that 67-70 percent range, you're just fine. It's where we've been most of his tenure.
NCAA Rank (out of 374 teams):
2012-13: Currently 310th (63.6%)
2011-12: 43rd (73.1%)
2010-11: 303rd (64.5%)
2009-10: 324th (63.4%)
2008-09: 237th (67.1%)
2007-08: 170th (68.9%)
This post was edited by Taupe Attack189 18 months ago
The one thing that's always bothered me about Barnes is his over-emphasis on all his players being defensive players first. It seems to go against the primary talents of the players he recruits. Sort of putting a square peg in a round hole. Seems to me that if he focused more on offense, he would be more successful. With that said, Mack seems more than willing to adapt to the talents he has. I'll go with Mack.
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