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He's right, and was damn vocal about it.
Bilas knocked that out of the park.
Jay is spot on with this assesment!! I see no problem with making him pay back the money, but the suspension is absurd!! Niice to hear someone from the evil empire (espn) have someones back for Texas!!! Hookem #freemyck
He is right that players should have legal counsel during interviews. We provide lawyers for criminals; why not these athletes?
23 games for what he did is an absolute joke
These people (NCAA) are idiots
Jay Bilas is the best in the business. Smart, honest, fair. He doesn't say needless stuff. He doesn't sugar coat. He just gives you a well thought out, intelligent analysis every single time. It is so rare to find guys like this as commentators. Most of them are trying to impress you with their schtick.
Bilas and the rest of you miss a very important point by comparing an NCAA investigation to criminal process rather than ordinary university disciplinary procedure. When a regular student is accused of misconduct and a hearing is convened, that student is not provided counsel. He may elect to have an adviser, but the adviser is not paid for by the university.
The ordinary student faces possible expulsion with no refund of tuition and fees, denial of a degree, and permanent bar from readmission. Why is it Bilas or the rest of you think an athlete's right to compete in NCAA competition is so much greater than an ordinary student's right to attend a state supported university and continue to a degree such that an NCAA athlete should be given a lawyer when talking to university officials, while ordinary students facing much more severe penalties are not?
Is a 23 games suspension too much? Quite possibly, and I'm not intending on arguing about that here, but the idea that Kabongo was somehow denied 6th amendment right to counsel is ridiculous.
And what is this stuff about the NCAA not doing anything about Spanier? The Freeh report lists him as one of the four central administration figures that concealed Sandusky's actions from the PSU Board of Trustees, the guy was forced out of office at PSU, he holds no positions with the NCAA and is under indictment, and PSU had the football program gutted for concealing Sandusky's heinous behavior. What is it that Bilas thinks the NCAA could or should do to Spanier? Impose a pointless show cause order on a guy who will never have a position of authority in any university again?
yeah you might want to re read the article, this thread and then come back and edit your post
This post was edited by juz 16 months ago
Bilas may not make a reference to 6th amendment right to counsel, but his idea that student athletes need to be provided counsel is supposed to come from where? Since when are private institutions required to provide legal representation for persons who are under investigation by that institution. The only circumstances in which governmental institutions are required to see to it that counsel is provided to a private citizen are:
1) criminal prosecutions for which confinement may be assessed as a punishment, and
2) proceedings to terminate parental rights.
Bilas's suggestion that student-athletes should be provided counsel for the purposes of obtaining advice during an investigation into possible violations of NCAA rules is a huge step that has almost no parallel in our society. Employers don't give employees lawyers to answer questions about their on the job conduct, though they may allow them to attend disciplinary hearings. School officials don't give students lawyers before asking them about cheating on tests or sexual harassment on campus.
Again, I ask, why is it that scholarship athletes are to be provided legal counsel to protect the chance to play in a game? Why is Myck Kabongo's "right" to play in a basketball game something of greater significance than my "right" to complete a semester that I paid for at UT and obtain continue toward my degree?
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