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As vocal as I have been as a doubter of Tyrone Swoopes' future as a possible signal-caller at Texas, I feel like it's only right for people to ask what I thought of his spring game performance.
I feel like Swoopes showed more athleticism than I gave him credit for coming out of high school. His size is outstanding and it makes him tough to bring down as a runner.
He is deceptively fast, but he's not VY-fast either.
I watched VY and Terrelle Pryor in high school and if Swoopes reminds me of either, it's Pryor for now and that's because of the speed factor. But there's more.
The difference between VY and Pryor by the end of their college careers was partially speed and partially development in the passing game.
VY learned how to become a truly competent passer. He learned how to hit the short stuff, how to make some throws in the intermediate range and finally how to let go of the deep ball soon enough.
By comparison, Pryor never really developed an intermediate or deep game.
So that's where I'm at ultimately with Tyrone Swoopes.
Will he develop like VY did in the passing game or will he ever turn the switch on as a passer?
He's definitely not there yet as a passer, though his second completion (a quick-read in-route) showed signs of progress I didn't think he'd be capable of this early in his career.
But for Swoopes to be great - which means he has to be able to use his legs to be able to move the ball - he is first going to have to get teams to respect his ability as a passer. Otherwise, they'll just spy him with one or two linebackers as he moves forward.
That's why Ohio State, even with the most talented team in the Big 10, never could really get over the hump with Pryor at QB.
Here's what I'm hearing on Swoopes that makes me think he has a much greater chance of making it as the QB at Texas than I did before.
I'm told he is being an absolute "sponge" of Major Applewhite, taking coaching, listening attentively and he's showing the physical aptitude to put what he's told into his play. Furthermore, his attitude is said to be very positive.
So where am I on the future of Tyrone Swoopes as the Texas QB?
I think it's way too early to call it one way or another and for more reason than just his own progress. There's the competition to consider, like Jerrod Heard who is trying to a mid-year guy next spring as well.
I think Swoopes' future is brighter than I gave him credit for as a recruit but I'm still far from sure he'll ever be a successful long-term answer at QB for the Horns.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by BobbyBurton 12 months ago
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This is large....I agree he's not finished by any means and that he has a long way to go but this is very encouraging and I appreciate your perspective.
This post was edited by 81horn 12 months ago
Fair assessment. Trying to judge whether young quarterbacks become successful in college (or later, pro ball) appears to me to be the most difficult prediction of any in football. It will be fun watching his development. The fact that he wants to learn is a big positive in my opinion.
Don't underestimate the Tressel-ball factor. Pryor was no VY, but he's not a Tressel-ball QB and tailoring the offense more for Pyror would have served Ohio State well indeed. Urban Meyer is going to do a lot more with Braxton Miller than Tressell ever did with Pryor, and Braxton Miller is no Terrelle Pryor.
The VY-Terrelle Pryor parralell is exactly why Swoopes needs a redshift.
I agree. And I have to say that even Pryor was further along in the passing game at this juncture than Swoopes is right now.
That being said, Pryor was not exactly considered coachable nor was Jim Tressell considered a very good coach of QBs. His development never really took off though he became more capable as he took more snaps.
I don't know what's going to transpire but I can see why Swoopes is running ahead of Brewer and Overstreet at 3rd string QB.
With Swoopes' legs, it at least gives Texas a chance to move the ball.
It sounds like you at least think he has the physical tools and mental aptitude to make it as a college QB which is all you can really ask for at this point in his career.
And if we stick with the up tempo (quick throw or tuck it and run) offense going forward I think we are better suited to have a Terrelle Pryor type than a guy who can stand in the pocket and throw a beautiful deep ball. Would I love that to be part of his game eventually? Sure, but I don't think it's a prerequisite for success in the college game.
This post was edited by Rgranger2 12 months ago
I think Swoopes is going to play this season and play well.
I also thinks he likes proving his critics wrong.
I wish the kid the best but just as it was too soon to write the kid off before he got here, it is likely too soon to proclaim that he's anything more than a project after only a single spring on campus. A project with real tangible assets but a project nonetheless. The worst news woudl be that he's #2 largely because we whiffed so badly on Brewer and Overstreet. Time will tell.
I could agree with this.
One other difference between Pryor and Swoopes: I think Pryor is slightly more athletic than Swoopes yet Swoopes is more naturally powerful.
This post was edited by BobbyBurton 12 months ago
If Texas used Ash for the wild package then I could see Swoopes in the same role this year.
Fair assessment. Big, strong, athletic, coachable, hard worker. That's a recipe for success. Looking forward to the next few years with him to see what happens.
I can too. The only difference is that we have a new OC this year and I'm not sure he is into creating special packages for players.
I always thought that Swoopes was basically a Pryor clone athletically, which is saying a lot. Now we see if he's more coachable and can master the passing game at least to the point to be effective in college.
Good point. For the record I think he needs to redshirt.
As far as an Athletic stand point. I see Jerrod Heard more of a T. Pryor Quarterback than Swoopes. JMO? In time i think both of them will be good Quarterbacks.
The big difference between VY's speed and Swoopes' is the suddenness. I don't their top end speed difference would amount to a great difference in a game setting. VY had freaky short area burst and shiftiness which Swoopes doesn't appear to have, though he's still a very fine athlete. I thought Swoopes looked very good out there. What impressed me the most was how calm he looked facing the 1 defense. I think he has a chance to be good. He's has 2 years behind Ash, which sounds about right for his passing game development. It will be interesting to see how he develops.
Is Swoopes a better passer than Overstreet? I've read where Overstreet is "wildly inaccurate"
Agreed, Bobby. From what little I saw of Swoopes, he undoubtedly has all of the tools necessary to take the next step.
While I understand the desire to play Swoopes this season, I am still hoping that the staff gives him the opportunity to RS. Would he learn from getting into games this year in a package or as a change of pace? Yes.
However, a package of zone read plays, or letting Swoopes be a change-of-pace or red zone QB, does not make up for the opportunity to let him focus on his passing this season to give him the best chance to develop into a all-around QB.
I rarely have found much to criticize you all on since you started 247, but i have to say this. Where was this "it's way too early to call" approach over the last year? I understand that you all are paid to make assessments and offer opinions but you guys were bordering on brutal in your assessments of this kid and it carried over into a lot of negativity from posters on this site.
I respect that you guys can't possibly always be right, but maybe take a look at this case when you have similar opinions in the future and temper the negativity a little bit so it's not a constant drum beat before the kid even sets foot on campus.
As you said, it will be a little while before we know if Swoopes becomes a complete QB, but even if he doesn't he deserved better.
I do appreciate you stepping up and starting this thread.
The mitigating factor, in my mind, is that Mack needs to win big THIS season. He must put his best players on the field, Period! If he screws up this year, there may not be a "next year" for him.
If TS makes a difference in the red zone, there is no way Mack is going to let him shirt.
...2013 is the easier answer for Swoopes as I believe he plays & gives a change of pace to the offense
It's 2014 & beyond that I wonder about...is Swoopes behind Heard as a passer? & who's the better fit for Major's offense, better runner Swoopes vs better passer Heard?
The texas coaches are missing yet again at QB. The order should be:
1. Brewer (best passer, good feet)
2. Ash (second best passer, good feet)
3. Swoopes (third best passer, great feet)
4. McCoy (should not play)
5. Overstreet? I cant tell about this guy because he didnt throw the ball.
There is nothing more dangerous in this world than a man with nothing to lose.
I was thinking the same thing. Plus Heard is trying to graduate in December.
Totally fair question IMO. Because I felt pretty strongly that he didn't have enough of the tools. I don't necessarily feel that way now. I think he has enough to be successful.
Another problem here is that I was comparing him to guys I still think have more tools to be successful as well.
Great thread. I am encouraged by the fact that Swoopes has already overtaken Brewer (94 as a QB) and Overstreet (89 as a QB) on the depth chart. That speaks volumes. He seems to be deceptively quick on the field. At 6’ 4” and 250 he will pose a threat. The defense had him dead to rights in what looked like a certain sack, and he managed to elude both tacklers.
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