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This has nothing to do with your original statement.
You said, "You are only a great or good player if you are a good teammate," which I think is asinine. TO is one of the most productive receivers of all time, so, I'd say that yeah, he's at least a "good" player. He may not have a ring, but neither do Randy Moss, Dan Marino, Barry Sanders, etc. Do they suck too?
I've been down this road on TO before (on this very site no less) and don't feel like going down it again, so I won't continue it any further. I just think that your parameters on what make a good player are crazy.
TO never assaulted his mama.
I hate you for making me defend TO. 2nd all-time yards and touchdowns and 6th in receptions say you are incorrect.
How many championship teams did he play for..................stats are stats. There is a difference
"Leadership is wisdom, courage and great carelessness of self"
No. TO was a major prima donna with a big mouth but he hasn't been arrested or beaten up a woman that i am aware of. I'd hang with TO for amusement. I wouldn't get near Bryant. He's a drive by waiting to happen.
I'd still say no. Not the same. Its like saying Coke and Pepsi are the same thing just because they are both soda water.
No point. not the same IMO. Its easy to want to compare them but not the same.
can be mutually exclusive and not conditional.
does not matter. he was a great WR and very productive. How many did Barry play for. I guess he was a crappy teammate.
nj..........sorry you think its asinine. Next time I will run my posts by you before I post them on the main board. I am sorry you are a fan of people like Dez and TO................
One and played the game on a leg that had been broken a month before. You keep changing your argument. By your logic,Marino not a great player.
Don't get high and mighty its just a discussion and its very unbecoming
Great WR have great hands...............did TO? No! Again a difference between stats and winning on a consistent basis.
I had a baseball coach who used to say everybody can hustle, everybody and back a play up, everybody can study and everybody can have a good attitude. Not everybody can run a 4.4 or bench 350 lbs................so for me I don't want to be anywhere near a player who can't do what everybody else can do. ..............There is a reason the Spurs every year..............there is a reason the Pats win every year...........there is a reason the Giants win on a consistent basis..........character counts.
Coach I was responding in kind...............the nj is the one who was "high and mighty". Saying a post is asinine is the example..........
It's just a conversation man. No need for the smug little remarks. If you took offense to me calling your statement crazy or asinine, it wasn't meant as an attack on you.
I just wasn't following your logic in that you can only be a good player if you are a good teammate or on a winning team.
You say T.O. doesn't have great hands, but go look at his stats.
Oh, you say stats don't matter, go look at the teams that T.O. made 10 times better.
T.O. is not the reason those great teams he played for didn't win the Super Bowl in their great years. Go check his stats on a broken leg in the Super Bowl against the Pats.
T.O. is not liked by many because of locker room drama, but to say that he isn't a great receiver is crazy. Guy gave 100% every Sunday.
TO was a receiver with HOF stats and production, Dez can't even produce enough to be a #1 on his own team.
TO was a terrible teammate who divided locker rooms, Dez has shown flashes of idiocy on the field but probably hasn't divided anything... Yet.
Similiarities? They're both black, big WR, struggle with press coverage, and can't manage money.
Dez is a thug & an idiot
TO is just a head case & a narcissist
LOL. Ok. you win. Outside of the 1100 catches, 16,000 yds and 150 tds he sucked.
Honestly after his upbringing its amazing to me he's not locked down in Huntsville
There are some pretty big character flaws on all those teams you named.
Those "writers" have no connections to the teams they cover and are totally incompetent. The articles are painful to read.
When NE or San Antonio has issues the player is gone. Dallas etc drafts issues and keeps them because jerry doesn't think character is important. There are reasons organizations win and others lose.
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