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I posted this as a part of the Tech game thread. I am interested in what anyone may think. I thought it was worthy of it's own thread.
"Papi is an intriguing player. He has a very well rounded game and shows exceptional court awareness. I think he also makes the team better than his individual contribution. He plays well alternating between the perimeter and inside on offense. I watched him for a little while on defense ( in the Tech game) and he pretty much played inside on those possessions. Has he been playing predominately inside on defense so far? I know that one of the early questions about Papi was whether he would have the lateral quickness to play on the perimeter defensively. Question. What does anybody know about how much a player like Papi can be trained and conditioned to develop that lateral quickness? I know one position would be that a lot of it is genetics - you either are born with it or you do not have it and you will not be able to develop it much. Anybody have any insight into this? He is big at 6'-7" or 6'-8" and 220 lbs. and he is likely to get bigger weight wise. How do you see him developing as a player?"
This post was edited by BudreauReye 15 months ago
Boddicker's weight was 226 at Texas ..... I could see Papi's body looking like Boddicker by the time he leaves Texas. I know according to Coach Barnes he is going to play mins as PG for the rest of the year and beyond. He will literally play ever position on the court.
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Miss-match college four - if Texas ran a lot of ball screen and high low action as they used to IMO.
Going to always struggle to defend quick wings - laterally.
His best chance to be an effective wing/SF is when Texas plays 2-3 so he is protected IMO.
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I really like Papi's game, what little I've seen them play anyway.
There are multiple drills and exercises that Wright will use to improve his lateral mobility. Probably just as important is learning to play position defense and study tape to pick up offensive tendencies of the man he will be guarding. Basically learn to cheat a little to help cover up whatever limitations he has atheletically. He'll never be agile enough to cover truly elite wings on the perimeter, but he can be serviceable against most; especially if he has a center like Ibeh as a back-stop.
Gerry is right. His best position will as a mismatch at the four; but he is going to have to get stronger before he can be effective defending the low block and be an effective defensive rebounder. Classic tweener at this point; but the same can be said about Holmes and Papi has a much better all round game than Holmes does.
This and Gerry's comments pretty much represent my take on Papi. To me, his overall court awareness and, as austinr mentions, his ability to play point forward, give him a very unique upside.
The kid is a baller. Very smart player who is going go make some Longhorn fans ver happy for the next three and a half years. He'll probably set the offense up some like Royce White did at Iowa State but swing between the three and the four. His intelligence and fundamentals will be key on defense. Havin Ridley and Ibeh backing him up will help as well.
.....................spot on! (I know gord will find that hard to believe)
I think the whole point-forward stuff is exaggerated. He excels at making the right decisions and good passes within the flow of the offense. When he brings the ball up I always feel like it's going to be a 5sec call since he can't create separation...
Yeah, I agree. I am not talking point forward in the same sense of a point guard, but rather in an adjunct role as a point of reference for the offense in the half court offense at times with regards to ball distribution. If I remember correctly Coach Barnes mentioned this in his post game radio interview yesterday. If you have a guy like Papi who has a good handle, good court awareness and can pass well,in addition to your PG, the offense can refocus through him during a possession if need be, and he can bring the ball down the court in a pinch if he has to. I guess it is not much different than having multiple guards on the floor that are all good ball handlers, but just a little different in that he 6'-8" and 220 lb. If nothing else, it is something else to talk about during a rebuilding year.
This is exactly where I come out on him.
I will add that no matter which position he plays he is somewhat of a defensive liability. At SF he isn't quick enough and at PF he isn't tough enough, imo.
Yet it's not that big of a deal.
Offensively, he gives his defender a mismatch. He can post-up, shoot over, or out-rebound most wings, and he can draw big men away from the basket, drive, or shoot jumpers if they sag off.
Defensively, his limitations are somewhat nullified by Ibeh and Ridley behind him to swat shots and the overall team defense.
This pretty much sums up what I was thinking, but when I think of Papi's development down the line, for some reason I think of Ogden. Then I have to tell my self that while Ogden had a pretty good shot, he was a big, slow West Texas kid, though, while he had good basket ball sense, he did not have Papi's athleticism and skill set, and essentially got recruited over. Sorry to be so blunt, Coach.
Floor - Boddicker
Ceiling - Chandler Parsons
Yep, no doubt. Agree 1000%
Gerry, you can't do that!. 1000% is redundant redundancy at least to the 10th degree, if not the Nth degree ... it implies deliberate and complicit obfuscation!
Interesting bracketing. I did not know anything about Parsons, so I went and read a little bit about him. Maybe that is a reasonable upside projection for Papi. Boddicker, as a floor, is also interesting. I think Papi already shows potential beyond Boddicker because of his skill set. If he could come close to developing Boddicker's strength and musculature, he would stand himself, and us, in good stead.
NY...............disagree with you because it is Barnes how is promoting the concept. I almost every interview when Papi is discussed he mentions the minutes he will play PG in the future.
I think we are disagreeing about definitions. NYHorn is correct in that Papi is not a point guard in that he is not great at bringing the ball down the court and he cannot create separation like a true point guard. On the other hand, he sure can distribute the ball in the half court for a 6'-8", 220 lb freshman who not too many folks recruited as a ball handler. Hmmm! Seems to me that this time next year, we should be expecting him to be channeling the "World According to Magic Johnson". Guys! Lets keep our priorities straight! Let's coordinate our fantasies with those of BudreauReye! on the count of One, Two, Three! See how easy that is! Now, your credit card numbers are wut again?
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This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by BudreauReye 15 months ago
Yeah, but Barnes can say that but I highly doubt he's playing the point over Kabongo, Felix &/or Taylor in the future.
Of course he isn't. But he does have ball distribution skills that are unusual for 6'-8", 220.
I can see him playing 5-10 mins a game for a change of pace (and in an emergency) I like the fact we have a player who can play every position on the court. We haven't had a player like that since PJ and Durant.
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Actually, I need to respond seriously. This post kind of sums up the thread. Minor nitpicking. If Papi plays close to ten minutes bringing the ball up the court, we are probably in trouble. Like in the Tech game, at times, I see someone else bringing the ball up the court and Papi setting up the offense in the the half court. I am guessing that that scenario is a part of your 5-10 minute a game change of pace. Even if that is not what you are saying, it is a great quibble to have, and I have still not come to grips with the fact that as you say, in a pinch, he could play any of the five positions on the court. When I think about this, that picture of Papi comes to mind when he announced to Texas in his ill fitting high school uniform, with that goofy grin, throwing up the Horns with one hand and some more Horns with his other hand held behind his back, held in reserve, in case he needed them. I gotta find that picture. Gotta use it after he has been here for a while.
You came close to a down vote for emoticon abuse.
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