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What does it say about the Big 12 when #1 and #2 lose by a combined 45 points?
Especially to spread offenses which supposedly are synonymous with the Big 12? I'm with you-
The SEC hate and tear them down posts reached a feverish pitch the last month and then this. Ugly.
I'll be honest, can you imagine what it would be like if the playoff format pitted UT vs little brother for the championship game 2-3 or 3-4 years. That would say a lot about Texas High Schol Football. Intrigues me, that's the only way I can rationalize the run I'm afraid atm might get on.
Really not much the Big 12 can say about sh*t after those beatdowns.
The Sec is the best conference but the big 12 has played two of the harder match ups in the country. Both top ten
Meaningless when you lose by 45 points combined. Just says you weren't as good as you thought you were.
Sounds good to me!
Who, uh, thought this was a good year in the conference? It was a down year compared to last year. The same can be said for the SEC. I would think that 2013-14 would be the start of another strong run for the BigXII.
I got brains. I got big ol' brains. I got dinosaur brains.
Agree with you, if ATM or Oregon were in a playoff system, both would have a chance and IMO, i think Oregon would win it. I am not sure Baylor was not the best team in the Big 12 at end of year. Think all of college football is down this year including SEC and Big 12. Would have been a good year for a play off system.
I think most were touting the depth of the conference, not the strength at the top. This didn't change that argument. While the top six in the sec are all god, the bottom eight are god awful. And with way the schedule set up none of them had to play more than three of the others and most only played two. So the nonsense that Aggies spouted about having to play an SEC schedule was nonsense. They played three tough games in conference and lost two of them.
Nick Saban has made the argument (which I agree with) against the Boise States of the world that it is a lot easier to do it one game than week in week out. And the SEC was so bad this year, none of its teams had to do it week in week out.
For my money, I think Oregon is the best team in the country and should have had the shot to play against Notre Dame.
What can they say? Here's what both of those teams can say:
Oklahoma: Bad situation. OU probably played the hottest team in the country right now with a great offensive line to combat their defense. OU's game against A&M last night was a classic case of BAD coaching. You get inside the 10 yard line 4 times in the first half and you come away with 13 points? That's how you lose a ballgame. How do you not put a 2 spy on Johnny Manziel when coming in you know what he's capable of? Stupid coaching from a team that looks to be in complete disarray right now.
Kansas State: Everyone going into that game knew that was 100% the WORST possible matchup for Kansas State as a team. They don't have the ability to play up to Oregon's tempo and that's what they tried to do. The worst thing that could have happened to Kansas State was play Oregon. Chip Kelly was in "I don't care I'm leaving anyway, nothing to lose." mode. It was just the perfect recipe for disaster for them.
No one talks about how Baylor beat a Pac12 title game participant by 23 points, or Texas beating the 13th ranked team from the Pac12. Both of which only lost one other game that wasn't to OREGON or STANFORD.
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It says that the Big 12 is probably down this year. So what? College football is generally fluid and cyclical.
All the conference comparisons are good for message board fodder and ESPN filler.
It's about match ups and scheme. Like what Bobby has been referring to, "What are you known for?" He also has called the spread the "great equalizer". I like both of these as major conversation points as it really boils down to where are you going.
The results of both the Fiesta and Cotton Bowls tells me that a transcendent quarterback, combined with a non-traditional offensive tempo (thanks, Chip), and a better than average front 7 on defense is a winning formula regardless of the conference. In the college game we see this over, and over, and over again.
I would also say that A&M does not play the traditional brand of SEC football. Sumlin's run and shoot style exposed a real flaw in the SEC brand. Slive is smiling all the way to the bank. Given that, while A&M is a member of the SEC, they do not represent what we've known as SEC.
NFL is increasingly intrigued with the up-tempo offensive concepts especially given the caliber of talent at the QB position moving into the league and leveraging this talent. The game is about putting butts in seats as well as bucking a static viewing audience.
Despite Saban's attempt at discounting the up-tempo brand of ball earlier this season, more and more programs are moving in that direction, including those in the SEC. Look at the coaching changes? The lesser programs see an opportunity to start fresh like A&M.
This is where 2010-2012 derailed Texas which has been well chronicled. We moved exactly opposite the trajectory of the offensive game when we led and had well established a program that was up/quick tempo with good solid spread tendencies. All we were missing was the ability to evolve our running game inside the scheme like the Oklahoma teams and what Briles brought to Baylor.
It's now obvious a mid-course correction in the rebuild process is needed and Texas is playing catch up.
A&M will not be as good next year as they are now. period. It takes a long time to replace an O-Line as good as theirs. Not to mention losing Damontre Moore. The ones people don't know about though are staggering:
-C Patrick Lewis: Been starting since he was a freshman along the offensive line, played center the past two years and played it very well. As I'm sure you all know as Texas fans, it makes things VERY difficult if other teams can get pressure up the middle against you.
-WR Ryan Swope: With out a doubt their best receiver. Their best receiver in possibly the history of their school. A go to third down receiver is hard to replace.
-RB Christine Michael: Although he has had injuries, he has been their running back for most of the past 3-4 years. Losing your starting running back can lead to a bit of an adjustment.
-DT Spencer Nealy: The vocal leader of the defense. Starting defensive tackle who played with fire and spirit. Not only losing a starter, but losing a leader can always be tough.
-MLB Jonathan Stewart: Starting mike linebacker, which also as Texas fans know, is an extremely frustrating position to not have an established starter at.
-OLB Sean Porter: Should be drafted in the top 3 rounds. Excellent outside linebacker who can rush the passer and drop back into coverage. Allowed A&M to stay in their base defense for most passing situations.
-CB Dustin Harris: Starting Cornerback
-FS Steven Terrell: Starting Safety
They lose 18 seniors to graduation. And they have a junior class of 19, so they will have a large senior class next year....
And who will be the majority of those players they're losing? OFFENSIVE LINE. And even with their huge recruiting classes that are "so great", how many offensive lineman in those classes are 4 stars or better? 3. THREE Offensive lineman that are 4 stars or better out of FIFTY-FOUR commitments.
Its a shame we can not play the swooners in January.
275-0 scoring margin
Dana X Bible's National Championship team
wishful thinking IMO.
Color it anyway you want but the Big12 took a big hit in the last two days. Our top 2 teams both lost big in the two biggest bowl games the Big12 played in. Speculating that aggy will not be as good in the future sounds aggy to me as does arguments that KState played against the worst possible matchup they could. I'm afraid we have gone from the Mack Brown era in Texas to the Sumlin era. Aggy would steam roll us.
It's been pretty cyclical the past 7 years. Just like clockwork every January a SEC team wins the national championship.
Johnny Manziel is good. Very good. But he doesn't do it alone. Did RG3 do it alone? No.
Actually since the 2006 NC, you've seen two coaches win 4 of the 6 NC's, says more about the coaching than it does the conference.
Not just any SEC team. While every team in the league celebrates the championships in the league as their own, the power within the conference has generally been consolidated. Urban Meyer and Nick Saban have been the undeniable faces of the league. Everyone else's success has generally been fleeting.
That's wishful thinking.
Patrick Lewis is being replaced by Kevin Matthews. You really think he's not going to be an upgrade at center? He's already tailor made for the NFL.
CMike: Hasn't been the starter at RB all season long.. He didn't even play last night. He was also the worst pass blocker out of all the RBs. We return Malena, Trey Williams, Brandon Williams among other 4 star RBs we'll have.
Spencer Nealey: Great leader but not a blue chipper.. He's being replaced with talent A&M hasn't had since the 90's.
If anything, next season's team has a legit shot win the SEC and make a BCS bowl. Maybe an outside shot of running the table. It's about to get very, very, very good for A&M and very, very, very bad for Texas.
I enjoy going over to other team's boards to read what their posters are saying especially after great wins or losses. I went over to A&M's site and there is a thread about this same SEC nonsense. I was not surprised but was expecting it. One idiotic poster posted that the SEC has won 9 out of the last 10 Cotton Bowls against the Big XII (two of those losses that the Big XII has, you guessed it, is credited to A&M). Correct me if I am wrong, but was not the Aggies in the Big XII for 9 of those 10 meetings so what is there to be proud of besides last night's victory?
One more point to consider, according to the link provided, the Aggies have lost more times than won in the Cotton Bowl so I guess that deserves a "Gig 'em"! Before you ask which one of the Cotton Bowls is my favorite, I would have to say the '92 Cotton Bowl.
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