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Howard apparently is a Rocket. Probably a good decision on his part. Younger team and doesn't have to deal with Cuban. But I don't know long run if the Rockets won or lost on the deal.
This post was edited by gordosan 12 months ago
Because I care about you: *their.
From a player perspective, there is nothing wrong with Cuban. Howard saw the path was faster in Houston. Time will tell if he was right. As a Mavs fan, I'm ok with his decision. Too much drama for me.
Team cancer. Good call, Rockets.
Mavs had absolutely nothing to offer. Besides playing with an aging star coming off injury. Cuban's "plan" was never really a plan. It was a misguided gamble the crashed and burned. Gonna be interesting to see what type of product they put on the floor next year. Mayo's gone, so they're gonna have to probably go and overpay a guy like Monta Ellis or Brandon Jennings. Neither solves their PG issue.
I'll take a mild version of D-Ho cancer over Omer Asik every day of the week. It's like puffing on cigarettes. Sure, it'll kill ya later, but for now it's wheeeeeeeeee!!!
Signatures are stupid. You should block them.
I would have asked, "Houston gets where, man?"
It will all depend on Howard's health and attitude. If he is crippled by injuries, it will be a loss. If he immediately starts undermining the coach, it will be a loss. If he remains healthy and content without requiring concessions to make him content, it will be a win.
sour grapes...Rockets now have a damn good chance to come out of the West next year. Morey has done an exceptional job remaking this franchise after inheriting two max contracts that both were completely worthless, preparing for this year....will be interesting to see if he now figures out a way to get Josh Smith or whether he uses Asik to get some more shooters.
The Mavs got Jose Calderon yesterday to be their PG. He's not bad at all offense-wise but defense is terrible. It's an overpay but they had to get somebody. Now just have to find a center.
This post was edited by hornetcoach 12 months ago
I don't think it's sour grapes. Count me as another one that thinks this won't end well. Howard, when he wants to, can be a very dominating player. However, the minute things start to not go his way or he doesn't get his way, he will become, as the previous poster stated a "cancer". Howard, in my opinion, is very, very immature. He's a huge talent but, if you can't put all facets of the game together including delegating to teammates when needed, allowing yourself to be coached and understanding that sometimes you need to keep your mouth shut, he will not succeed the way he wants. If he does, then the Rockets will contend. I've just seen two franchises where Howard has become a malcontent and caused issues. I know the Rocket fans think that he will succeed with their young players and win championships but, he just left a Laker team that had Kobe, Nash and Gasol and still didn't succeed. Yes, I understand the Lakers had injury issues (the Rockets have injury history issues as well) but, even when they were all healthy, they couldn't make it work. I guess well see.
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Agree, Rockets are now contenders. As a Mavs fan the best thing Dallas could do is try to trade Dirk for younger talent at this point. The window closed when Cuban allowed his championship team to dissolve by gambling on signing future free agents. The gamble did not pay off either of the last two years and he is now out of bullets. At this point he needs to accept it for what it is, a rebuild and reset his sites and goals as Houston did a few years ago on how to accomplish this in the most efficient manor possible and hopefully with some of lady luck Houston got by signing a free agent like Hardin.
I really like this deal for the Rockets!!!
Like I said, they offered absolutely nothing to Howard in the future. Especially if Calderon is the best they could do in free agency.
Each team Howard has played for failed badly in the playoffs
I wouldn't say a Finals appearance would be classified as failing badly.
Especially that 2009 team, huh?
I have several issues with Howard. He's atrocious on the offensive end, unless he directly under the rim. He makes Wilt and Shaq look like great shooters. Second, he brings a lot of baggage in terms of his attitude. He didn't get the label of being a cancer without at least some cause. Finally; and most concerning long term is his health. He's already had one major back surgery and didn't look like the same player last year. Plus he has a labral tear in his shooting shoulder. I'll be surprised if he finishes his contract.
No question though in the short term, he was a great signing by the Rockets. He immediately moves into the top three in the west; probably #2 behind the Thunder. He also fits very well into the Rocket rotation which is filled with perimeter players, who can open the paint for him to operate close to the rim. A perfect complement to Hardin. I'm still not sold on the remainder of the Rocket rotation, but no question that they will be legitimate contenders as long as everyone is healthy.
Its time for Cuban to sell the Mavs. and the new owner simply blow up the team. After the cheap Carter years, and the complete disaster of Perot Jr. looting the team, Cuban was fresh air for a while. But despite all his money; he is a juvenile ass. I'll give him his due; he brought a ring to Dallas. Probably should have been two rings if they had brought in a more experienced coach to replace Nelson than Avery in 2005. Nelson was a great G.M., but lousy coach. Running Nelson off was the first of on ongoing series of mistakes that Cuban has made. Obviously, he should have resigned Chandler and kept the nucleus of 2010 team together for another run; but his ego got the best of him. Now the Mavs are a disaster and only are going to get worse. He should do Dirk a favor and trade him to a contender for one last shot at a ring.
You said it best, Dwight is a huge talent. In today's NBA, you always bet heavy in talent and risk something happening with his attitude when you're talking about a player of his caliber.
Morey has built a contender in the west in 1 year without tanking and without having an all star already on the roster to start.
I'm not sure this will work out the way the Rockets hope it will, but I think they had to go after him in order to contend. He fits the offense perfectly and is definitely what they needed on defense.
What worries me is that he is more concerned with having fun than winning, and he is full of drama. But at least Smith signed with Detroit. I don't think that would have worked at all. He can't shoot, misses FT's, and has his own baggage.
He took 6 years, starting with 2 all-stars on the roster, which facts I pointed out in a thread a couple of months ago. Down vote me for pointing this out if you must, but he didn't make the hard decisions that needed to be made when he first took over as GM.
Nor am I convinced that Houston is on that a solid foundation. It's one injury away from sub-mediocrity now. Maybe it will get some other pieces that will have it remain in respectable shape if Howard's back goes, but maybe it won't. Morey did an excellent job in landing Harden, but now he has essentially thrown all of Houston's chances at door number "Howard." If it works, then he can be lauded for his deft engineering of the NBA roster and salary game. If it doesn't, then he can be remembered for something not so flattering.
Dwight never wanted to play for the Lakers, and when he got there the Lakers did everything they could to make sure he didn't want to come back. They told him he was going to be the next star to take the mantle from Kobe. They asked his opinion on things, he gave it, and the Lakers did something else. Let's not forget that Kobe has now driven away the 2 best C's in the NBA in the last 10 years because his ego can't handle someone else getting credit. Yet, Kobe has never won anything without someone in the post. After Shaq left the Lakers, the Kobe lead Lakers missed the playoffs and lost to the Suns in the 1st round in the next 2 seasons. After the Lakers got Gasol, the Lakers went 2-1 in the next 3 NBA finals.
Dwight finally got to chose where he wants to be. He chose Harden, and McHale. He chose Houston, and Les. The Rockets will let Dwight be Dwight and Harden's ego isn't so fragile that he can't take a back seat to Howard. Remember he can be a spot up shooter just as easily as a facilitator. Plus he's good friends with both Harden and Parsons. These are his boys, and the chemistry issues he had with the Lakers will not be there. Now I do agree his last year in Orlando was bad, but hopefully being in an organization with McHale, Hakeem, and Yao he now has positive mentors that want to see him succeed, not too mention Jeremy Lin's strong faith will also be a real benefit to Howard.
They were a 45 win team without Dwight, who has missed 25 games total in his career. The Rockets are full of guys that are just starting in the league, such that the only guy on their roster now without any upside is Garcia.
Lin - 3rd year
Harden - 5th year
Parsons - 3rd year
Asik - 4th year
Beverly - 2nd year
Jones - 2nd year
Motiejunas - 2nd year
Cannan - rookie
You are completely stupid to believe the Rockets don't have a solid foundation. They return their entire team(minus Delfino) that played in the playoffs last year, and now have added the best center in the NBA. Just a really stupid post.
As a Rockets fan, I'll give a crap about his bad attitude when he displays it in Houston. Until then, this is how you win in the NBA. You get elite talent. The roster needed something and Morey made moves to get it. Now you go from here. I can't fathom how a rational Rockets fan would have a problem with this move. Bring it on, DH. Get ready to catch some lobs from Harden and Lin.
I really respect you as a poster big time but think you're missing the boat on Morey. The guy inherited two max contracts that were worthless and has systematically built the Rockets to the point where they are a consensus top pick in the West. Organizations pay money to attend his seminars on player eval and analytics. We can argue legitimately about Howard just the way we do about recruits and other players regarding their impact but I think it's pretty well re organized the Rockets did the almost unthinkable.....convinced a sought after star to leave LA by his own decision. As a Rockets fan, I sat "Hail Morey!!"
I don't think McGrady was unmovable when Morey took over. He just wasn't moved. He might not have garnered a lot in trade, but he would have returned more than what Houston recouped two years later, when Morey got something for nothing.
I can't really fault him for not moving Yao Ming. That obviously would never have happened.
Howard wasn't going to stay in L.A. He wasn't going to spend another year in Bryant's shadow.
NLeininger, you wise and polite man you, please don't overlook my earlier comments on the thread that I see the signing of Howard as a win for the Rockets if Howard stays healthy and happy. However, like it or not, the Rockets fortunes are now linked to a guy who is an imposing physical specimen with some glaring flaws in his game, a history of not getting along with coaches, and a back surgery. Furthermore, I seriously doubt the players you listed will all still be with the Rockets at the start of the season.
I cannot but like Harden, and I have consistently praised Morey for landing him. I have also praised Morey for the drafting of Parsons, who I like very much as a player. Beverley has appeared to be a nice find, but it remains to be seen if he can handle starting minutes at the point. He may be a very good back up being asked to take the equivalent of a starting role. While last year was a good start, it must be remembered he is a 25 year old coming to the NBA after time in developmental leagues and Europe, so a growth curve is likely to be pretty shallow.
That leaves Asik and Lin and stuff. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand things, Houston will not be able to sign Howard to a max deal without shedding more salary, even after it gave away the rights to Royce White for next to nothing (not that I'm suggesting that was a bad move). One of those guys may have to go. I wouldn't be very upset at the loss of Lin, who I think is a below average NBA point guard, but we will then be in the position of finding out if Beverley can be a successful starting point guard, and most analysts were concerned with Canaan's lack of lateral mobility, ability to finish, and propensity to be a scorer, not a distributor. While Harden can trigger the offense in a lot of scenarios, making Canaan's lack of distribution skills somewhat less problematic, Harden doesn't really address Canaan's other limitations.
Forgive me if I say the rest appear to be role players only. The name of the game in the NBA is building suitable complements of role players around the established stars. I don't refuse to acknowledge that being how the game is played, but the fact remains the Rockets will go only as long as Howard is healthy and behaving himself. This may not be any different than the Thunder with Durant or the Heat with James, but that doesn't make the Rockets any more likely to succeed if Howard should succumb to injury problems.
I didn't say signing Howard was dumb. I just don't see it as a guarantee of long-term success. What Morey does next in moving Asik or Lin and getting the next complementary piece in return will be very important for the Rockets' near and not so near future. As I said in my post you called so stupid, if Howard remains healthy, then Morey will be remembered for deftly playing the GM game. More power to him if it works. I'd like to see a great team playing in Houston again.
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