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"Swoopes is ahead of VY throwing the ball right now at the same stage and it's not even close. I'll go so far as to say he's better in the passing game right now at 17 than VY was at 19 or 20. I know because I watched everyone of VY's practices for the most part until he left in 2005." - Geoff Ketchum
That is all.
Pretty sure most of the practices were closed. Just sayin'.
He also thought Gilbert would be a first round draft pick after his junior year at Texas.......I wonder how much longer he'll tote that Drew Brees spiel around.
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I paid to read what that man had to write about Garrett Gilbert. That is all.
You could fill out an entire football roster with guys who thought the same way about Gilbert. He was far from alone.
Actually, outside of the other mouthbreathing apologists from Lake Travis, no one preached more about Garrett Gilbert than Geoff Ketchum. Other folks liked him, Ketchum praised the guy as the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ in shoulder pads. He went so far as to claim that he'd be the best QB Texas had ever had on campus. So, no, he wasn't far from alone.
That said, there were indeed plenty of folks who touted Gilbert. At the same time, no one predicts a freaking 5 star flameout of epic proportions ahead of time. Much like no one predicted 5-7, no one predicted a Gilbert collapse of Bomar-ian proportions.
Regarding Ketchum's take on Vince Young versus Swoopes, at this time in VY's career, he was a JR in HS about to head to the Elite 11 camp, where he claims to have learned more in that session than in everything else combined leading up to it. VY was 10x the passer during his SR year versus his prior two seasons and it was a shocker to everyone who watched him. Ketchum wouldn't know, because all his fatass did was catch some film and read first hand reports like any other fan.
As to Swoopes being better now than VY as a 20 year old, not unless someone was out there wearing a Tyrone Swoopes costume. Ketchum is an imbecile for pushing the comparison in the first place. Of course, he's an imbecile and always has been irrespective of this, so I guess it goes without saying but I am saying it nonetheless.
He's trying to cover his losses. If you make seemingly outlandish statements you better have a backup plan when it doesn't pan out. I think part of it is TS is a 5 star QB (not ath) and therefore you need to justify that ranking or else drop it.
He should stick to ruining my drive home with obsolete 80s movie references, telling us stories about the time he had a girlfriend in high school and laughing at his own jokes.
Garrett Gilbert is ahead of Troy Aikman and John Elway combined at this stage.
Funny comparison IMO. VY in high school was an outstanding passer. His senior year was tremendous. He may have struggled on campus his first year or two but against high school competition he was always excellent. That is all.
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This is the guy that said Gilbert was the best QB in the Big 12 the summer before his sophomore year. The year we went 5-7 and Gilbert threw around twice as many INT's as TD's.
Broken clocks are right more often that Captain Tons 'O Fun over there.
I didn't get to see VY in high school back then, but it's hard to believe Swoopes could be a better passer at this point considering that's the one big knock on his game right now. ]
He didn't even seem to have that glowing of reviews coming out of the rivals100 deal in Atlanta last weekend.
A wise man posted the following less than 24 hours ago...
To say he throws as well as VY did as a 19-year old is beyond crazy given I watched VY dismantle team after team in high school with his arm as much or more than his legs. And VY rarely pushed short throws in 7-on-7s and games (although he short-armed a few, it was relatively rare). Additionally, while VY has/had an awkward delivery, it was a consistent delivery.
Can Tyrone Swoopes be a very effective college quarterback? Yes.
Do I think he's the next VY? No, I think that's an unfair comparison.
Do I think other QBs in the state of Texas in this high school class are clearly better passers? Yes. But that's not Swoopes ultimate strength as a player IMO.
This post was edited by GetHooked 22 months ago
VY's passing stats in high school (and remember this was pre-spread and 7 on 7s when anything north of 60% completion was outstanding):
SENIOR: 131-224 (58.5%) for 2,545 yards (11.3 YPA) 35 TDs and only 4 picks -- a truly incredible ratio. Young ran for 1,274 yards on 116 carries (11 ypc) for 24 TDs. His total stats were 3,819 yards and 59 TDs.
JUNIOR: 1,309 yards passing (14 TDs, 8 INTs) and 1,306 yards rushing (12 TDs) for a total of 26 touchdowns
Quote is slightly out of context.
This is what Ketch really said:
He's better RIGHT now in the passing game than VY was at the same stage. Period. It's not even debatable. I saw VY throw in settings like this as a sophomore, junior and senior. I watched him in games. I saw every single practice he had early in his career. I watched him a dozen times in summer seven-on-sevens. VY just did not throw the short or intermediate passes with the amount of skill that Swoopes did this weekend until he was no longer a teenager. That doesn't mean he's a better player than VY, it just means in this specific area, he's more advanced at the same stage in their careers side-by-side.
He was talking about the short passing game.
I'm not going any further with this. I've said what I feel needs to be said. Gerry has seen them both, he can chime in. Good luck to TS.
That's a different one. I got a screen shot of what I typed from a friend.
Swoopes needs to move in with Kevin Murray and start training.
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I was told around Elite 11 time (back in March) that doing just that was in the works, but Swoopes told me in May he's not planning on working with Murray or any QB coach.
That's just a REALLY poor decision IMO.
No problem. I think you're a great poster on this site but I had to look it up on OB because it sounded so stupid. The full quote is a little more reasonable.
Truthfully, I don't remember the young Vince having a great touch with short passes. I don't remember Gilbert doing much better with the short passes. They both liked to air it out.
If Swoopes has a short game that even comes close to what Colt had with the wheels he's been blessed with, we might have us a QB.
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