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I know there are a lot of people who want to axe Mack and I understand how people can be frustrated, but I really do think that would be a huge mistake unless we really do tank it the next season or two, Far better it would be for Mack to be coach for the next few years and then take an administrative position to help the next coach in the ways he knows best. To fire him would alienate him without a doubt and just as Darrell was around for Mack it would only make sense for Mack to still be a part of the family when the next coach takes the reigns. He has had a huge impact on Longhorn Football and he should have the opportunity to go out with a bang, not a whimper, I know he has let some conference championships get away. I know he's been stomped by OU a few too many times. But he has also taken us on a run not experienced since the late sixties and early seventies. Mack does leave a legacy and I think it far better for our Longhorn family for him to leave on his own terms and maintain continuity rather than cast him off. He has also made a boatload of money for Longhorn Athletics as well. Downvote away.
This post was edited by sundancekid 15 months ago
If you disagree and want to downvote, fine, but why no rebuttal?
Mack shouldn't be fired, he should know that he needs to retire. Darrell did.
I'm not going to downvote (because I can't) but I am going to wonder where the Bolivian army is when you need them.
1. It would not be a huge mistake, because I am 100% certain there are a dozen coaches who can do a better job than Mack. Gary Patterson stole Mack's lunch money before giving him a swirly on Thanksgiving with a freshman "quarterback".
2. Mack has made a boatload of money, but now he is stealing it right back.
3. Whether or not you want Mack to be "part of the family" after he is done coaching should not matter at all. You evaluate him based on his product he puts on the field, and if that product is up to Texas' standards.
4. This run you speak of is overhyped, because it is based on the perception that 10 wins = success. And that is what Mack wants you to believe. It hides his shortcomings regarding OU and the conference championship.
Your entire post suggests that the University and the fans owe Mack something. This is a "what have you done for me now" profession. If you perform, you get paid handsomely. If you don't you fix it or get the hell out.
This post was edited by Silky Johnson 15 months ago
I agree that it would be ideal for Mack to step-down in order to remain on good terms with him. It'd be great to be able to introduce him to recruits and him been seen as a Texas legend like DKR was. However, the Longhorn football program cannot afford to keep giving him time to right the ship when the necessary changes are not being made. The future success of this program relies heavily on the ability to win in 2013, and win big. As A&M improves and become the "sexy" program for recruits to flock to, Texas needs to return to the steady dominance on the field and on the recruiting trail. Mack gets one more season, which is more than most are willing to give him, and he better get this team to perform.
On a Saturday in October, I left at halftime so that I could go drown my face in waxy beer and Fletcher's corn dogs...it was when I was walking down the steps of the Cotton Bowl last year that I knew that I wanted Mack gone and wanted Mack gone after the season. Call me a hater...but that was how I felt then and how I feel now. It was only confirmed when I walked out of DKR on Thanksgiving night knowing how badly Gary Patterson had exposed Mack again...
How many more times do we have to see this stuff before the change is made? 5 more? 3 more? I say no more.
I'll also add that Mack lacks the hunger it takes to be a successful college coach. In my opinion, he goes into the OU game scared and knows he doesn't stand a chance more often than not, and that is why he seemingly downplaces the significance of the game. He had a chance to capitalize on the national championship but chose to mail it in with recruiting. I'll also add that he hamstrings himself by recruiting only players from Texas unless there is some strong outside connection. The state of Texas doesn't churn out great tight end prospects, and until recently, they didn't churn out linebackers and defensive ends. But Mack refuses to step outside his comfort zone to increase the talent on his roster. And finally, the fact that he had planned to retire if he won his second national title tells me that he had one foot our the door. Him coming back after the defeat was a detriment to the Texas program.
Never understood the fear aspect. And honestly don't respect it very much. Outside of Saban, Meyer and Kelly I can think of at least 20 coaches who could do a better job.
Several of Mack's predecessors have been fired for 3 yr records as good or better than 22-16. This 22-16 record includes a losing record in the Big12. Mack holds the dubious distinction of being on the ass end of the top 4 margins of defeat in the entire history of TX vs OU. Mack is also slipping with recruiting. More decommits and minor slides in class rankings for 2013. Talent evaluations also waning. Recruiting was Mack's "fastball". Not sure he's got that pitch anymore and all the while schools like BU, OSU, TCU, and A&M continue to rise.
Also, Mack has let assistants go that have impacted the team far less than Diaz holding yet another dubious distinction of fielding the worst statistically ranked defense in the history of Texas football. Yet Diaz is still here making $700k plus a yr.
Sorry, but a poster above is accurate in that Mack has made a lot of money for himself and Texas, but he's only deserving of a small fraction of what he's getting paid now, yet he hangs around and continues cashing paychecks.
I'd have absolutely no problem if Mack magically got us back on top, but his trajectory isn't supporting this happening anytime soon.
This post was edited by ATX89 15 months ago
Didn't downvote the OP. Actually upvoted you for trying to be positive but I disagree you. My feeling on Mack is that he has wanted to retire in the past and still wants to retire but only as a big winner and I don't think he gets there. Texas football needs an edge to it after watching OU demolish Texas this year and I don't think Mack provides that.
I have hope for the offense with Major leading it but not for the defense with Manny's scheme and play calling.
The program is bigger than any one person. Mack Brown has done a ton for this program and he arguably earned his 5 million per year....we do not owe him anything else. THAT'S WHAT THE MONEY WAS FOR, why is this concept so hard for people to understand? It's not like he is getting kicked out to the curb with nothing but the clothes he came in on. He helped bring this program up to a new level and we payed him millions upon millions of dollars for doing so. Now it's time to move on to the next guy and allow Mack to enjoy the $ that he earned.
Best employee handbook ever. I've started playing this at staff meetings.
"That's what the money is for!"
I claim no rights to this clip. AMC or Bust.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Heisenberg 15 months ago
2 conference championships in 15 years, while main rival has 8 in 14 years
I see what you did there.
As time goes on I care less and less about Macks feelings. And I'll tell you why. Mack has shown that he doesn't care about the feelings of millions of Longhorn fans every October in Dallas. He puts out the same scared team year in and year out. Gets his ass kicked and then has the nerve to say the same " Not our Standard" bs. If the aspect of Mack's feelings factors for a single second by the AD then it just reinforces my belief that Belmont needs to be carpet bombed and the old guard needs to be put out to pasture. Too hell with Mack's feelings and his concern about his legacy.
Ya know, posts like this are what make this board interesting. They get people's passion up for everything longhorn. Doesn't matter what side of the argument you're on. +1 for that!
He had that with the 2009 season. So what if the QB got hurt and we didn't win the NC game? That made it an unsuccessful season?
Whimper? We've all been crying ever since.
DeLoss needs to go. Whatever happens after that is up to the new AD.
Mack is not on my agenda. DeLoss is.
I downvoted you for obvious reasons. There's nothing to explain. It's a retreaded topic with nothing but hope as a strategy. The upvote/downvote stuff is bizarre to me, but it seems like it was designed for threads like this, so thanks for giving me a chance to use it.
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