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Let's see how Westbrook does against Miami and go from there. Why mess with a good thing if you don't have to. If trading for Rondo means the Thunder can lock up Ibaka and Harden you may have to look at it though. What a wealth of young talent for such a small market team.
Why do you think Boston would make that trade?
Again from Broussard during the Heat-BOS series...Boston mgmt wants to get younger & more athletic...KG & Allen will not be back opening ALOT of cap space
Broussard's contention was that if KG & Allen aren't gonna be back, & if BOS could trade Rondo for another PG & draft picks, then it only makes sense to add multiple, athletic players...Broussard said this would "probably" be reviewed again after the playoffs heading toward the draft, possibly a "draft day deal"
BOS making this trade then puts RW @ PG with Bradley @ SG...if Broussard is right about BOS wanting to become more athletic, then RW/Bradley back-court is definitely more athletic
I don't know why you and Broussard would think that OKC would give up RW and draft picks. I also don't know why OKC would choose to get less athletic.
My guess is that OKC is happy with RW and his new contract and does not trade him. A good way to lose your job would be to advocate breakIng up a championship team by trading an All NBA player who is 24 years old and under contract for 5 years at less than max.
Couldn't help but notice how similar RW numbers were to Derrick Rose's MVP year. Those numbers don't spell trade IMO.
Completely different players IMO. Rose is a PG, Westbrook is a selfish two guard moonlighting as a wanna be PG with the best scorer in the NBA on the wing as the focal point of every defense.
Give Rose KD and see what happens.
You can't look at numbers with RW and compare to Rose IMO. Watch how he plays the game - he is nothing like Rose.
OKC has, and will be open to trading RW again. Doesn't mean they will get what they need/desire to make it happen, but they looked/considered it for a real good reason IMO.
Hopefully Westbrook can keep everything in check, wake up on the right side of the bed, for the NBA Finals.
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I would restate that and say that Westbrook is a selfish PG or a two guard masquerading as a point. Assists define a point guard and Rose has two assists more per game than Westbrook; with a better A/T.O. ratio. Rondo has five more assists per game. That equates to ten plus points in the stat line; but much more than that in team chemistry and movement. Rondo is a bigger, better defender T.J. Ford. Westbrook is a more athletic Daniel Gibson.
He's an undersized 2. Only a 1 by definition. I dont think OKC has ever disputed that. And OKC is winning. Would be a big gamble imo to screw with something thats working so well. Boston would be just plain dumb to want an even smaller back court than they do now. No modern NBA team is gonna put two guards out there under 6'3". Oh wait. They're called the Bobcats.
Given the fact that OKC & BOS nearly completed this trade after the lockout & prior to the season starting...& Broussard telling the world he "expects" this trade to be discussed again (per his sources) would confirm your "guess" is incorrect about OKC being "happy"
Cool. A player evaluating moment for you. We shall follow Westbrook's career at OKC and see if you have evaluating skills or not.
You surely don't believe that OKC wins any championships with Russ at the PG and the Thunder's backup out all season? We'll see. I bet on the side of the All NBA PG Westbrook winning multiple championships.
storms keeping you up, red?
here's the deal with westbrook. like you've mentioned, he has only played the one for a couple of years. he's inordinately talented and athletic. his problem is that he has a maddening tendency, when a big game is on the line, to seemingly make a conscious decision to screw his team's chances of winning by attempting to put on a one man show.
take the first two games of the spurs series...how many times were durant and harden wide open on the wing while westbrook either tried to go one on 3-4 in the lane or jack up some wild contested jumper early in the possession without rebounders in position? he does this crap consistently, and for no other apparent reason than to try to prove (in vain) that he is the best player on the team. i think he possibly showed some maturing in the second part of that series, but like gerry said, who knows how he'll respond in the next game?
i think a better analog for westbrook is a retarded version of dwyane wade. similar skill sets, in that they are both bouncy undersized two guards that are/have been asked to distribute. the difference is that wade has always been deferential to the hot hand or to the guy with a mismatch. westbrook is like a wind-up toy that keeps running into the wall. no one is denying his talent, and when he's not flying solo, he's a good player. when he's ignoring durant and harden to do his tasmanian devil routine, he makes me want to throw a lamp at my tv.
The evaluation is already done man. I didn't have to evaluate anything. RW is a SG playing PG, which isn't natural for him.
He doesn't have PG feel or vision. He doesn't have feel for game/clock situations other than getting his own shot, how and when to ride the hot player without the OKC staff forcing it through half court sets, etc.. That doesn't mean a guy can't improve over time, because anyone can improve through hard work - but a PG isn't made, they have a natural feel about them.
Scott Brooks provides the evaluation for all of us in this instance. Westbrook doesn't see the floor as well as Harden or Durant, and the OKC staff shows everyone this in key situations. That's been seen since they have all been together.
If anyone expects Westbrook to ever play PG to the level of the Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, Rondo types, they should lower their expectations.
That doesn't mean OKC can't win a NBA title, as they have the best roster of youth and talent combined. Westbrook needs to keep everything in check though IMO.
I think everyone looks at RW's play on the court as the lone reason OKC looked to move him, and will very likely look again behind the scenes, but I think it's more what is seen publicly.
I honestly don't care if he ever comes close to Rose, Rondo, or Paul. He brings a different skill set to the table. And he's only 23. PLENTY of time for improvement. I say OKC should ride it out and see just how good the kid can be.
This post was edited by Grady Wilson 22 months ago
Even it means losing two better players in the process?
Westbrook plays the PG just fine. When you look at the Thunder record this season, they had the better record in games that RW shot more shots than they did when KD shot more shots.
For those saying he is not a PG, that's pretty uneducated considering he is in his 4th year of playing PG. where are all the other PGs? They aren't in the finals. If Tony Parker is as good at PG as they say, why doesn't he have his team in the finals? Could it be that he tried to do to much himself and shot his team out of it?
If everybody says Rondo is so good, where is his team? Could it be that he shot Boston out of it? Made too many bad decisions in 4th Qtrs?
Derrick Rose? His team was supposed to contend, but wasn't he injured much of the year? He wasn't much help to his team. They are sitting at home. Westbrook is the best PG of those guys, he is still playing. He doesn't get injured. Maybe Maynor did, but he's the backup.
RW is a great PG, no question. His stats are hard to match and he has his young team in the finals. A team that many say have a scoring liability at the 4 and 5, yet they are still in the finals. RW has as much as anyone to do with OKCs season this year.
Good f'ing gosh.
Switch Parker and Westbrook and which team in in the finals? It still isn't the Spurs. Hell switch those 2 and the Thunder most likely sweep the Spurs. You don't seem to understand, the Thunder are always going to be Durant's team. In the playoffs alone Westbrook is the 4th best person on his team in terms of Win shares, and this coming when he dominates the ball, as his 30% Usage demonstrates.
Westbrook is a great athlete but is not a PG. The Thunder are so freaking good that his deficiencies at the position are mitigated by being surrounded with 3 guys that are playing great and better basketball.
I wouldn't want Parker. He had a chance to get a truly great team with all the necessary parts past a young OKC team with issues at the 4 and 5, but he just didn't do it. Some said he didn't play well in the losses. That's too bad, he's a veteran.
OKCs two time NBA all star PG who was 5th in the league in scoring got his team into the finals though. It's a good thing Westbrook can score because many times the Thunder can't depend on their 4 or 5 scoring. That handicap would sink most teams, but the Thunder counter it with a PG who scores around 25 a game.
This post was edited by Deep Red 22 months ago
Why would OKC want to trade RW and get less athletic?
Westbrook is destined to be an athlete that never gets enough credit and always gets too much blame. Especially in these parts.
Yes it would suck to have a NBA Finals MVP on your roster.
You do realize that Westbrook is playing worse than he did during the regular season, right? You also realize that the Spurs series turned when Brooks took Westbrook off of Parker, who was abusing him defensively, and asked Sefolosha to check him.
Durant, Harden, and Ibaka's WS/48 have all gone up in the playoffs, guess who's as gone down?
This post was edited by NLeininger 22 months ago
He's not playing worse, he's playing great. His shooting percentage is down but his assists are up. Tony Parker didn't shoot as well in their series as he did in the regular season either.
RW is a top 5 scorer in the league. That's hard to do when you also have the leagues top scorer, but that's what the Thunder ask of him. It helps make up for the lack of scoring from the 4 and 5.
Why would OKC trade RW and get less athletic?
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