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All good thoughts. I guess the better way to phrase the basic question is: "Is the program better off giving Barnes another year to prove he can turn things around or cutting bait on moving on to an unknown?" You can't just view firing v. keeping Barnes in isolation. It has to be compared to your expectations of what an unknown new coach would do.
It is a really tough question because you would think after his long tenure that you know what you're getting with Barnes, but I'm just not sure that's true. The early-Barnes-era non-star laden teams were mentally tough. They played tough D, executed on offense, and could be counted on at the end of the game. I just don't see Barnes getting that out of the current roster and I don't think it's a guarantee that he will when they're older. Barnes' long-term shortcomings on teaching offense seem to be getting worse, not better. On the other hand, I'm quite pessimistic about the chance that Texas hires the right coach to replace Barnes. This program has a lot going for it, which may attract some good candidates, but it's also not a well-known basketball destination that can thrive without the right coach.
So really it boils down to your optimism about Barnes turning it around vs. the odds of DeLoss hiring the right new blood. Does that make anyone feel better?
This post was edited by DLev 14 months ago
Obviously, a school doesn't fire a coach after a 14 year run in the NCAA's following one down year. The leash should be getting very short leash though. This really isn't a mediocre team; its a bad team. Its a young team; but not a young team that has improved as the season progressed. Barring Kabongo returning for his junior year or one of the Dallas kids coming in; I don't have much optimism that this group will be that much better next year. It may be good enough to sneak into the tourney like last year's squad did; but I don't see much more than that. There have been a couple of concerning trends that have developed over the past several years that Rick needs to correct.
I am kind of in the same place with both the baseball and the basketball programs. In an idea world (early-mid 2000's), both programs had a ton of talent and intangibles. More recently, both programs have slumped in talent. I can handle a slump in talent if you have less talented players with a ton of intangibles and the problem right now is neither program does. It's crazy because both Garrido and Barnes thrived early in their Texas careers in maximizing the talent/fundamentals of less talented players. I'm not angry and I'm not calling for heads, but it's just really tough to get behind these teams.
As a fan it's tough to realize that it will be next to impossible to re-create the run we've been on for the last 15 years in all three sports. I also know that it's highly unlikely we make the right hire in all three. Basketball and baseball can rebound much faster than football, when you agree to let a football coach have a horrible season, you've really given him a pass for another 3-4......doesn't have to be that way with the other two.
The older I get, the more the answer "it depends" applies to more and more situations.
“Kansas may wind up number one in these polls, but that would be so unfair to Texas...” -- Len Elmore, 2/13/11
I had this in the middle of a longer post on the other thread but would be curious to get everyone's thoughts. Assuming Rick is safe no matter the result this season, what is the baseline for keeping him after next year? If he improves to 5th in the conference and a first round tournament exit next year can you honestly show him the door after improving and returning to the tourney?
The baseline for keeping him will be greatly affected by the class he has inked in November or ready to sign on with Texas in April, so it's hard to say he has to have the team win at least x number of games in conference and win y number of games in the tournament; however, I do think the team has to show more than just that it is better. It needs to show that it is a legitimate conference title contender and will be one once again on a regular basis. Five years in six of not coming close to challenging for the conference title would be a legitimate basis for removal, even if there is improvement from what appears to be the end of the streak of making the tournament.
Largely agree with Bierce. Even with the roster as constituted, there should be significant improvement. I think we'll know it if we see it, either way.
Next year's team really depends on the development of Ridley and Ibeh minus Frazier and/or Randle.
Ridley has really been a dissapointment as it was thought he would be a 13-8 guy right out of the gate. He's no where near that good right now.
If he had Ibeh can improve enough to become a 25-18 duo next year Texas will be much stronger.
Not too mention that ideally Texas would have RS both Lammert and Holland had it not been for Bond's health and Kabongo's suspension.
At least, Felix will be beyond battle tested for next year should Kabongo not return.
McClellan also needs to decide want kind of player he wants to be, because the one he's showing is not very good at all.
Great great point
Really kudos to you.
That is a discussion we should be having.
I would take Barnes over Dodds every time.
The Barnes of ten years ago? Without a doubt! The Barnes of today? He's some of the major evidence used to suggest Dodds is incompetent. I don't know that we can really isolate one from the other. They're both different parts of the same problem...Lack of accountability. I suppose the one point that makes the most sense is that if Dodds is gone, there won't be any emotional attachment to the current coaches for the new AD. So theoretically, you could see him drop those not carrying their own weight. I wish that didn't include Rick Barnes, because I like him. But this program has been on the slide for nearly a half decade. It's finally caught up with us and become seriously evident. To me, this season is not an anomaly. It's the result of poor evaluations, filling out the roster with pieces that don't match, recruiting misses, and getting passed by conference foes at lesser schools because of better coaches. But that's jmo.
The question is not whether Barnes "deserves" another season. That word implies "loyalty" unconnected to performance. Barnes has been mediocre for what will now be 6 seasons. All of us have our benchmarks of superior performance, and mine is Sweet 16 appearances. College basketball , thank God, is not a beauty contest. You win , you advance. Votes don't mean squat. By the simple math of playoff results , the BB program has or will not be a "top 16" program in the last 6 years.
As a fan and alumni, I "expect" rather than "deserve" better.
Give the money to Billy Donavan. UT has languished in mediocrity for to long.
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