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I concur. He needs to fire Greg Davis though.
The heat needs to be turned up on Barnes and Mack. I'm guessing we will see one more guaranteed season for both
This post was edited by Beast 512 17 months ago
If he reels in Randle and Frazier, yes. If he flops in recruiting, no.
I would have to have a good feeling on whether some of these guys would transfer.
If the vibe is they would then no.
If the vibe is they love Austin but don't have a lot of love for Rick then I would have to see what else is out there.
You are going to base Barnes' firing on some teenagers happiness playing on his worst team ever? Might want to rethink you stance. I suspect most of these players will return with a chip on their shoulders.
I think a better question is "Does Jaylen Bond deserve another minute of playing time this season?"
I say NO.
I think if you are thinking of firing him it has to be one of your main thoughts because if you have YOUNG players transfer from an already shitty team then this is where the program would be with a new coach:
- no players
- shitty recruiting momentum
- shitty basketball arena
- shitty fan support
Not exactly the ideal situation for a new coach to step into.
Really the question that needs to be asked is will/can Rick get the most out of this team when they are upperclassmen?
What is it that you believe?
In a big spot against another big coach in the tournament can he get that extra bit of juice out of his team or game plan.
Or will someone else be able to get more out of them.
If you have a good feel that the foundation of the team really enjoys the university and their teammates but they are just absolutely shot for confidence playing under Rick then I think you have to at least look at your choices.
BTW this is assuming you don't get Randle and Frazier.
If you get those two obviously you stick with Rick.
So I guess I am on a wait and see pattern with those two but I think the smart/safe money is to plan on them not being in Austin next season.
This post was edited by clacknasty 17 months ago
Where is Greg Davis when you need him?
I agree that his firing should not be based on how some players feel. I do not see any evidence of any revolt going on, which apparently happened when Penders was fired. And then that was only one part of that problem. It seems to me that for every player that may not care for Coach Barnes there are many others that swear by him and stand by him and the program - T J Ford and Kevin Durant come to mind. Problem is that a lot of fans have fairly short attention spans and would prefer to burn down the house. I am thankful that they do not have any say in hiring and firing of coaches at UT, and I would suggest that they attempt to develop a longer perspective.
No, we can do as good or better with someone else. It's nothing personal, I like the guy a lot, but just like with any company, sometime new ideas and a fresh voice are needed at the top.
Who gave him a scholarship to Texas and was responsible to make him a better player when he got here?
You are just as likely to have players transfer with a new coach coming in. Remember Lemmon's replacement? Deloss is not going to determine Barnes' future based on a couple of recruits. Perhaps more important is whether Kabongo has a positive influence on this team's fortunes when he returns and whether he will return for one more to elevate his draft status. The Jaylen Bond question is moot as he has been injured all year. Now Holmes is out. The good thing about young teams is that they do get better. KState was a hard loss and this has been a hard season in general.
Deserve's got nothing to do with it.
What did they see in him when he was recruited?? Oh that he is under sized and can't score!! Great decision Rick!!!!
This line of questioning is not without merit. I realize not all 13 guys on the roster can be ballers, but our roster is severely lacking in guys with "Hoops IQ." As far as I can tell we have 3 - Felix, Lammert, and Papapetrou - that play and 1 - Kabongo - that isn't playing due to his lack of off the court IQ.
Regarding the fans having short attention spans and needing to develop longer perspectives, do you feel the same way with the Mack Brown situation? I know football is king, but it's funny to me how a lot of UT fans who have been calling for Mack's head the last couple of months are the same ones defending Barnes. To me, it's all a product of the expectations for each sport and these fans are willing to give Barnes a longer leash.
Rick Barnes gets paid very handsomely for his job, he doesn't "deserve" anything.
The question is whether or not Rick Barnes is the absolute best available choice for Texas going forward.
That is a simple yes or no, with no "deserves" involved anywhere.
I say no.
Does Barnes "deserve" another season? Not really. Like GPie says, "Deserve's got nothing to do with it."
Can he have this group playing at a much higher level next year? I think so, but I'm not entirely convinced of it. I would have been about 4 years ago, but not so much today.
Have there been circumstances that justify failing to contend for conference titles 4 years out of the last 5? Justify it? No. Are there circumstances that tend to explain that failure? Yes. Do those circumstances give Barnes the right to be free from criticism? No. Some were at least partly of his making, some were a surprise, but one has to think he could have gotten at least a little more from his team a little more often.
I'm certain that he will be given another year unless there is some kind of scandal (and no, that is not to suggest that I have any information that there might be one), but I think 2013-14 should be a double secret probation kind of year.
Yes, I do believe that Mack should be able to see through the changes he has started. I just do not support the burn down the house scenarios. Recovery time is greater than if both of these coaches are allowed to right their respective ships. Mack Brown is not John Mackovic. I think Mack could have done better, but I like the changes he has made in the last two years, and I think we are headed in the right direction. Burning down the house would not guarantee that we would be back to where we have been any time soon. "We are Texas!" is an advertising campaign, not a reflection of the real world. "We are Texas!" does not guarantee you a spot at the top. Notre Dame is a good example. Sure they are doing well now, but they have gone through years of not rising to the level of expectations that some folks think should be the birthright of such a storied football program.
On the other hand, Rick Barnes is not Tom Penders, either. He has a good record and is held in high regard around the country. Like Mack, Rick has had a dry spell of late, but we have to remember that he brought Texas basketball into the modern era. Trying to invoke "We are Texas!" in basketball is like dreaming you saw a mirage. Sure, Texas could throw a lot of money at a lot of coaches, but that does not guarantee that you would get the coach you want, or more importantly, the coach who would be best for Texas. Look back to when Coach Barnes was hired. My first thought was Rick Who? I seem to remember that a lot of folks wanted Rick Majerus or Bob Bender. Well, upon reflecting upon both of those guys subsequent careers in college basketball, I am pretty sure that the best choice was made. Like I said on another thread, I have a friend who is a UConn alumnus. When I tell him what people are saying on this subject, he laughs. His contention is that Texas has not gone through a basketball drought in the last few years. THIS year is the drought, and it is a result of the vagaries that are a part of college basketball. I tend to agree with him and that is why I think we all need to have a little patience and develop a little longer vision. At this point, you know the drill - young team, good components for the future, maybe some good recruits, future looks bright, and all that.
This line of thinking cannot guarantee the way things are going to be. I just think that an even keel approach is more conducive to a positive outcome. Oh yes, lets not forget the obligatory ...
This post was edited by BudreauReye 17 months ago
People who are casual basketball fans probably feel that way, but I don't. I think Barnes's previous record should give him a pass for next year -- at least as of now.
Dodds does have a history of sacking a coach despite a good record. He fired Abe Lemons in 1982 when the team went from 14-0 to out of the postseason. Of course, he didn't hire Abe and they obviously didn't get along. Can't say that about DeLoss and Rick.
But if the team, say, doesn't win another game, I think he'd be out. It would the equivalent of Mackovic, in football terms.
“Kansas may wind up number one in these polls, but that would be so unfair to Texas...” -- Len Elmore, 2/13/11
I certainly agree with this statement. I do not think that what I think about how long any coach should be here matters, so, I do not care to speculate about that.
Good points. I have a hard time thinking that we would not win any more games. If that happened, then something is obviously not right. Mackovic is an odd comparison. He seems to have had his unique personality problems in dealing with alumni. I could well be wrong, but my impression is the Rick is no Mackovic in that respect.
Mackovic in the sense that they went 3-9 with 66-3. Barnes is no Mackovic, personality-wise. But they've got to bounce back from losing they way they did Wednesday and keep showing progress.
That is what I thought you meant. They have bounced back before this season, and with Myck coming back soon, I would hope that they would continue to show resilience. If they lost out, I think that would indicate serious problems - more than just rebuilding and injuries. I do not even want to speculate on that.
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