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so you're saying the AD is choosing poor attendance.
I agree with this. I have noticed over the last few years that posters and posting content tend to run in cycles. When things are going well, posters come out of the wood work, when things aren't going so well, then, the drive by "fire the coach" "nuke Bellmont" posters hatch in abundance only to quickly fade away like a mayfly spawn. With some of these posters, I think it is just that their attention span is not very long, not that there is anything wrong with that, There is room here for all when they chose to participate, and how they choose to participate is up to them, whether I like it or not. There is a core group of basketball fans that tends to fluctuate, and heaven forbid they do not tend to be much in agreement. The latter group will be able to see the following point though they will not probably be able to agree on exactly what it is that they see, and the former group will dismiss this idea outright. You see ... what we are missing here is that we need to have a longer view. We do not need to burn down the house just because things are not satisfactory on some level. Sometimes, things are in the process of getting fixed and you just don't know it, because you are a fan, on the outside, looking in.
I do not think I said that.
I'm firmly in the camp that Barnes deserves to stay, deserves a chance to get back to competing with KU for the conference title, deserves a shot to develop an all youngster team, etc. I'm not saying his leash should be indefinite, but it can be longer than this 1 crazy year.
Signatures are stupid. You should block them.
How long should he get?
Including this year he will have 2 tournament wins in the last 5 years and conference finishes of 4, 6, 2, 5 and 8.
He will be in year 27 of his coaching career next season. Do you think he will get better moving forward or has he peaked and on the downside of his career?
We need to send a certain someone to paragraph school. I don't come to message boards to read War and Peace. Ha ha
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At this point, I think he should only be guaranteed next season.
I'm more concerned about the conference finishes than I am tourney wins.
I think he may incrementally improve or slide. I don't think a big move either way is likely. I also am conservative and don't think a new hire guarantees moving the program forward.
But I'm not in charge, so...
I tend to agree with what you are saying. I generally tend to think he should have more than just next year, but I think that that you are correct in that I expect either marked improvement, or in a worst case scenario, a downhill slide or perfect storm scenario where everything falls apart and the program craters. So, the "one year more" scenario might. become a self fulfilling prophesy.
I'm old. I get to type however I want.
Now that you brought this up, as your punishment, I get to tell a "War and Peace" story. I was a straight A student, and school was not very challenging, so the game quickly became how little work I could do and get an A. In ninth grade literature, I choose to read "War and Peace". Like a lot of kids that age, I put it off until the last weekend. What to do? I read about the first 100 pages and about the last 70 pages, and a page or a page and a half at the beginning and end of each intervening chapter. For my report, I was given five minutes to speak. So, instead, I talked for half an hour about "War and Peace" and it's place in and reflection of Russian Literature and geopolitics of the Twentieth Century. I got an A++. Now, I did not know anything about Russian Literature or the geopolitics of the Twentieth Century, so, my advice to you, is do not get me started!
Your penance is lifted! I know that this does not properly qualify as paragraphs, but does it make it better? ;)
Things haven't been going well in any of the major three sports for a pretty long time now -- even if our minimum standard is competing for conference championships, BCS games in football, sweet sixteens in basketball and super regionals in baseball -- let's say top ten to sixteen teams in the nation.
The real question going forward though is not historic performance -- it's who has the capabilities to lead us back to that standard. Of course, recent performance helps us to assess this question.
In football, my opinion is that a new coach is required.
In baseball, I think Augie is showing some flexibility / adaptability and I think he's probably best for the program right now.
In basketball, tough call right now but I don't think things are looking very promising. And Bierce makes a good point about the reality of the past several years. Bottom line: I'd keep Barnes for another year and re-assess.
I agree, by the way, with your previous point about the degree of difficulty in establishing a basketball culture at Texas. We've had some really good teams and, yes, the students come out for the big games only. It's not on the same planet as KU b-ball or Texas football.
It would be an interesting thread someday to list schools that have both a great football and basketball culture -- reasonably consistent success and passionate fans for both. It's a small list. A couple of Big 10 schools come to mind: Michigan, Ohio State. Maybe the best is Florida?
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You may type however you wish!
I prefer not to judge Barnes on our performance in March, solely. It's a one game playoff, it's a little extreme. My worries stem from us not doing so well on the recruiting trail, our teams and players not making huge strides each season, and a program that is fast becoming stagnant.
..................Budreau don't be so hard on 512. We are blessed to have him post on this site. 512 told us a few days ago in addition to knowing more about baseball than Augie .......he knows more about football than Bill Belichick! He is very accomplished plus he "won" 3 letters in 3 different sports at UT! I am not sure you are I belong in a debate with him on many issues!
"Leadership is wisdom, courage and great carelessness of self"
I am not the arbiter, but good post. A good argument can be made for all of your statements. I like the last one for a potential future thread. I tend to be reticent to bring up the topic of "UT Fans, the Warts and All Edition", because. well, I are one, and I am reticent to put myself in the position of criticizing us. I just think that the all the faster we can get to a place where we can realize that we are not "God's Gift to the World" as athletic programs and fans, the quicker we can get back to being a step above all those within eyeballin' distance. I promise, that I am done with my rants for the day! But as Kelso says, "Get off of my lawn!". Just wait till you see what I got in store for ya tommarry! Or, not. ;)
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We good .. all valid points.
Listen! Can't you see that me and the Beast done made up? ;)
What does the Bible say?...............at some point the lion does lay down with the lamb!
Your fascination with making things up about me is awfully sweet.
Mack Brown should have been fired a long time ago. Barnes should get 1 more year to either get us to a top level or he needs to go.
What is your opinion on Ford and Gundy / Oklahoma State - seem to be two solid, fairly young, coaches
My 2 cents, whatever that's worth...
Ford hasn't done anything until this year an he has Smart this year, and he only got him because we didn't offer Forte. I wouldn't go after him.
Gundy is good, but I still like Patterson, Strong better.
Canadian, appreciate the response - FYI, not expecting Texas to 'recruit' OSU coaches but you have to admit, OSU is performing well - was fortunate to watch Smart during the last two years in HS - strong player and a great story - really like the way Ford coaches the offense
WOW, Smart and the Cowboys decided not to play the second half at this point - BU cuts the lead to 11
If Myck leaves and Randle doesn't commit then what is the point in him staying one more year? We will just see the same team one year later. Sheldon didn't improve from last year and Lewis did not improve very much either. Why assume that this years freshman will? The longer he stays the worse it gets
I see posters make this kind of genearalized argument regularly when they don't like a coach and want to get rid of him. Unless you can provide some evidence that the type of arc you are describing actually exists in coaching careers, in general, I'm going to have to say it is a bogus argument.
For every "example" you want to provide to support this argument, I will find one that refutes it. I'll start with John Wooden. Look it up.
You surely have no idea how completely ironic this post is do you?
No. I don't think you do.
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