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Lol after 50+ win seasons. Carlisle coached circles around McHale everytime the two teams met up this season, and that's with a bunch of spare parts and a gimpy Dirk.
Everytime, don't think so.
Lol 3 out of 4. My bad. Still embarrassing given the talent discrepency between the two teams.
Carlisle lead Detroit to two straight 50 wins seasons before being fired because he couldn't work with management. In his first year with Indy; he coached them to a 61-21 regular season and beat Boston and Miami in the play-offs. Indy's roster was decimated by injuries and suspensions over the next two years and he was either fired or quit depending on who you listen to. Very good coach.
The book is out in McHale. He was a disaster as a G.M in Minn., but his coaching resume is extremely limited.
I don't think he's a complete disaster, but McHale isn't in Carlisle's league.. Not even close.
And people really think the Rockets+Dwight is immediately better than the team that just rolled through the West and gave Miami everything they could handle for 7 games? What planet are some of you living on?
The team that rolled through the west is full of old players who are hurt a lot and about to be a year older. I will trust Darryl Morey to put together a team around Howard over Mark Cuban and Donnie Nelson any day of the week.
Lol Houston sport fans are a special kind of stupid.
Why don't you try and post something that actually supports your point of view instead of calling someone names. You should try that sometime.
Well, Cuban and Nelson have put together a title team. Morey? Well, he's put together the Rockets over the past six years. So there's that, I guess.
Prior to this season, the Mavs made the playoffs 12 straight seasons, won 50+ games in everyone of those seasons sans 1 or 2 (dunno for sure without looking it up), made it to the finals twice, winning 1 of the 2, and made it to 4 WCF......they did all of this under Cubans watch, whereas before he bought the team, they were essentially the Flippers with a 817 area code.
Now contrast to what Houston has done over that same time span and you'll under why what you said was a special kind of stupid.
That good enough for you?
When looked at three years from now, I'm not certain whether the team that signs Howard is the winner or the loser. Great defensive center with limited offensive abilities and the worst free throw shooter since Shaq. Add in a probably career ending bad back. Long term; he will probably be fools gold.
He also had a HOF to build around. When the Rockets had a HOFs to build around they won 2 titles played for another and made the WCF final another time. Then those guys got old and retired. Just like what is happening with Dirk now. Let's see where Dallas goes when they lose their franchise player and have no one to replace him. The Spurs are about to be in the same situation.
There is no telling how good a coach McHale is at this point. He did take the youngest team in the league into the playoffs, while the roster was changing the entire year.
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Lol they won two titles cause Michael Jordan decided he wanted to be the next Barry Bonds, let's get real here.
To your point about Dirk, yes he was a franchise player but Nellly andCubes found him and developed him. Sorry that the Stevie Franchises and Yao Mings of the world didn't yield the rockateers similar results.
Only pussies think the Rockets didn't earn their titles. Yes it's too bad Jordan got old, or the Bulls would have won the last 20+ titles.
Lol and only Houston fans think they'd have won them if not for MJs gambling debt.
Like I said, a special kind of stupid.
In the three seasons prior to the Rockets winning their first title they beat the Bulls 5 out of 6 games. The facts do not support the Bulls winning 8 titles in a row. Seattle was a bad matchup for the Rockets thus they did not reach the finals those three years. It appears the Rockets were a bad matchup for the Bulls. In addition, four of the five games the Rockets won were by double digits. Pepper11 please stick to the facts instead of name calling.
Not sure why the vitriol here regarding the Rockets. If you don't think the 94-95 Rockets are legit champs, you're wrong. I was a season ticket holder and saw what kind of transcendent player Hakeem was those years. He was in the same league with MJ those two years. Similar to Dirk in the year the Mavs won. Those Rockets were legit and I won't accept any view that counters that, personally.
Also, you are correct, the comparison of the two current regimes recent past performance favors Dallas big time. The results speak for themselves. But, anyone who dismisses Darryl Morey and the job he has done when he inherited two max guys who couldn't play, either doesn't understand the League or hasn't taken the time to research what he has done. It can be debated, sure, but my view is that, going forward, the Rockers are in a much better position to win championships than the Mavs. We'll see about McHale....I'm not 100% sold on him.
The "Rockets won their titles because of Jordan's absence" argument always amuses me. It's a lazy, Simmons-esque take. People know MJ played in the '95 playoffs, right? And he wasn't still getting his legs back after baseball because he averaged 31.5 ppg in those playoffs. The truth was that year's Bulls had zero presence in the paint. Longley, Wennington and Perdue presented no challenge to Horace Grant and Shaq when the Magic bounced the Bulls in 6. The same Magic Houston swept in the Finals when Hakeem decimated Shaq. After that season, Chicago went out and signed Rodman, shoring up the issues. But in '95, it mattered. Chicago doesn't beat Houston in '95 with or without Jordan.
'94, I'm more willing to give it a go but again, the interior problems for the Bulls remain. Maxwell consistently held Jordan under his scoring averages when the Rockets and Bulls played during the regular season. There was no one in Chicago's lineup to check Hakeem. So you slow Jordan, even a little and keep him under 30 ppg for the series and allow Olajuwon to run rampant against those white knights in the paint, I think it still favors Houston.
The HOF argument is really a red herring. For starters, this was a response to the Cuban, Donnie argument vs. Houston management. Since Cuban and Donnie were instrumental in drafting Dirk, you have only actually bolstered Pepper's point that the Dallas management can competently build a champion with this claim. But secondly, the main argument is about who will have a better team and roster by landing Dwight Howard. Since Dirk will not be retiring for at least another 3-4 years, the argument about retired HOF's is completely irrelevant to the discussion. The fact that Dirk started to resemble himself again as the season progressed is a positive sign for Dallas. I fully anticipate Dirk averaging around 24-25 pts and 7 rebounds a game next year. Its not what he was at his peak, but it is certainly good enough to make Dallas compete for a decent playoff spot. I don't see him slowing down anytime soon...especially since his game is less dependent on sheer athleticism than it is on his ability to shoot with such a high release point. And the fact of the matter is that even with Dirk missing as many games as he did at the beginning if the season, and with his initial struggles as he made his comeback, the Mavericks STILL only finished four games behind Houston. Now, Dwight Howard may decide he wants to play for the Rockets. However, it won't be because they have a vastly superior team...not just for the future, but for right now. In fact, with a healthy Dirk for a season, I would argue the better team is Dallas (especially given their head to heads with Houston last year). I guess we will know soon enough what Dwight thinks.
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Funniest thing I've read on this thread. Olajuwon was great, but this statement is just plain laughable, just like comparing Dirk to Jordan is.
What's even more laughable is you putting Dirk in the same category as Dream......
The fact of the matter is that with or without MJ, the Rockets were playing the finals two years in a row. If you want to claim the Bulls automatically win the East in both of those seasons to face the Rockets, then groovy. But, to sit there and think the Bulls beat the Rockets both seasons in 7 games for no other reason than "because MJ was playing" is short-sighted and lazy. You honestly don't believe that the hands down second greatest player of that generation (I LOVE it when people try to argue against this) coupled with a stacked roster of another future HOF'er and some of the best role players the league has ever seen with an unbelievable level of team chemistry had a good chance to crack the Bulls puzzle???
Spurs fans can yap a little, although they're pretty jaded after this long run of success. Mavs fans? Shut up.
Consider it funny all you want, bro. I stand by the statement, period. I've seldom seen a combination of defensive and offensive domination that Hakeem put on those two years. He was in the same league as MJ. I didn't say he was better but he could easily dominate a game on both ends in those two years like very few in the history of the league.
Call it humorous all you want but the statement is absolutely correct. I watched every game in person down low at the Summit then and will never forget his talent and domination.
Where was MJ those 2 years...what did the dream do before and after those 2 years when MJ was playing?
The closest thing I have seen to MJ is LeBron and that comes in spurts.
MJ played in 1994. His Bulls lost to the Magic in the semis, and he averaged 31.5 PPG over the 10 games in the playoffs.
Individually he had 2 40 point games and another 2 were he scored 38 and 39 respectively in the playoffs.
Are you mistakenly under the impression that Jordan didnt play in the 95 playoffs?
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