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"Craig James was doing things behind my back"-Leach

  • JumpingTheGun said... (original post)

    I'd disagree, Edsall is a very good coach but he doesn't have the skins of Leach. He hasn't taken a desert wasteland and with limited resources had them top 10 in the country and a lot of consecutive winning seasons going against a conference that features many schools with superior resources and talent.

    Just exactly how many times did Leach/Tech actually finish in the top 10? How about ZERO. What was his aggregate record against OU and UT? He toyed with poor Aggies, for which I found endlessly amusing. Other than that, he's basically an 8-4 coach that was very good at self promotion.

    This post was edited by TexShoe 3 years ago

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  • TexShoe said... (original post)

    Just exactly how many times did Leach/Tech actually finish in the top 10? What was his aggregate record against OU and UT?

    Tech under Leach never finished in the top 10 in the AP or Coaches polls. Best was #12 in 2008. Leach was 2-8 vs. UT and 3-7 vs. OU.

  • JumpingTheGun said... (original post)

    I'd disagree, Edsall is a very good coach but he doesn't have the skins of Leach. He hasn't taken a desert wasteland and with limited resources had them top 10 in the country and a lot of consecutive winning seasons going against a conference that features many schools with superior resources and talent.

    Ok, we'll disagree. I think Edsall took UConn from a Division II school to Big East champion during his tenure with a lot of guys that the rest of the Big East passed over.

    Yes, the Big East is not a great conference, but they may have 10 guys total on scholarship from the state of Connecticut. Not exactly a hotbed.

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  • BobbyBurton said... (original post)

    Ok, we'll disagree. I think Edsall took UConn from a Division II school to Big East champion during his tenure with a lot of guys that the rest of the Big East passed over.

    Yes, the Big East is not a great conference, but they may have 10 guys total on scholarship from the state of Connecticut. Not exactly a hotbed.

    If the Big East had Texas, OU, or even the likes of Nebraska then Edsell wouldn't have won jack. I think he did a great job there but he never had to go up against the big boys in conference, and when he did see one in OU he got curb stomped.

    Leach never finished Top 10 but he had several top 10 teams during the season that met a more powerful opponent. His 2005 team was undefeated and #7 in the nation when he met the greatest CFB dual threat QB and team of destiny/future NC winner. But I digress, we'll agree to disagree as you wish.

  • JumpingTheGun said... (original post)

    If the Big East had Texas, OU, or even the likes of Nebraska then Edsell wouldn't have won jack. I think he did a great job there but he never had to go up against the big boys in conference, and when he did see one in OU he got curb stomped.

    Leach never finished Top 10 but he had several top 10 teams during the season that met a more powerful opponent. His 2005 team was undefeated and #7 in the nation when he met the greatest CFB dual threat QB and team of destiny/future NC winner. But I digress, we'll agree to disagree as you wish.

    I just don't get how you can give this much credit to a head coach who showed a blatant disregard for anything other than offense. He destroyed lesser competition, but could never consistently beat the big boys, certainly never on the road.

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  • I highly recommend listening to Leach from today's Finebaum show. He was tremendous in his undressing of ESPN and Craig James.

    http://podcasting.fia.net/6960/4809128.mp3

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  • TexShoe said... (original post)

    I just don't get how you can give this much credit to a head coach who showed a blatant disregard for anything other than offense. He destroyed lesser competition, but could never consistently beat the big boys, certainly never on the road.

    Tex................I think you have to look at what Tech is and especially who they were before Leach arrived in Lubbock. Tech had some success but their seasons were for the most part were 6-5 or 7-4. They beat Texas a few times (Aggies all the time) but they didn't contend for Big 12 Championships etc During Leach's tenure they won 8-11 games per year and contended for Big 12 Championships plus played many times on national TV. They also won bowl games instead of just making the games. Programs like Tech need "gimmicks" to take their program to another level............Leach did that. Plus he began in his last 2 years to get better on defense.

    "Leadership is wisdom, courage and great carelessness of self"

  • austinr said... (original post)

    Tex................I think you have to look at what Tech is and especially who they were before Leach arrived in Lubbock. Tech had some success but their seasons were for the most part were 6-5 or 7-4. They beat Texas a few times (Aggies all the time) but they didn't contend for Big 12 Championships etc During Leach's tenure they won 8-11 games per year and contended for Big 12 Championships plus played many times on national TV. They also won bowl games instead of just making the games. Programs like Tech need "gimmicks" to take their program to another level............Leach did that. Plus he began in his last 2 years to get better on defense.

    Mike Leach's Big 12 records were marginally better than Spike Dykes's SWC records (by about one more win per year?), I'll give you that, but look at who Leach scheduled as his non-conference games. Absolutely disgraceful. Also, while Leach had to deal with powerhouses like OU and UT in the Big 12, A&M back in the SWC days was quite the juggernaut.

    My distaste for Leach has nothing to do with this James episode. In fact, I believe he's in the right. Nor am I holding some childish grudge over 2008. They won the game fair and square, and we have nobody to blame but ourselves. I even believe he's a gifted offensive coach. That said, I think he gets more notoriety than he deserves simply because of his slightly off center and highly quotable personality. I also think he coaches his team needlessly recklessly, which is a function of his arrogance, that he thinks he's smarter than everyone else on the field. This is evidenced by his refusal to punt the ball even deep in his own territory, or to go for a chip shot field goal. This has time and again cost Tech wins. I already mentioned his negligence on defense and special teams, so I digress.

    He's a good offensive coach for a regional player like Tech, but I don't expect him to be successful on the big stage as a head coach.

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  • When the consensus words I've heard used to describe Adam James are "smug," "arrogant," and "pompous" among others, I don't blame Leach for wanting the kid gone.

  • JumpingTheGun said... (original post)

    When he looks in that mirror he'll see two things: it definitely wasn't for lack of wins or issues with recruiting integrity. They had a program that was clean (as far as anyone could tell) and a winner and they bailed because they didn't like the coach's personality. Perfect cut off the nose to spite the face scenario. Now they're in bed with a reputed cheater and a guy with a lot of baggage over his head (Jim Donnan anyone?). I hope Tubbs pulls the same crap there and they get exposed and slammed with sanctions

    Great post. One nit to pick: They didn't get rid of him because they didn't like his personality; they got rid of him because they didn't want to pay him what he negotiated. I don't think they gave a crap about his personality. Craig James getting uppity just gave them the reason to do what they needed to do.

  • BobbyBurton said... (original post)

    Ok, we'll disagree. I think Edsall took UConn from a Division II school to Big East champion during his tenure with a lot of guys that the rest of the Big East passed over.

    Yes, the Big East is not a great conference, but they may have 10 guys total on scholarship from the state of Connecticut. Not exactly a hotbed.

    Well said.

  • austinr said... (original post)

    Leach has baggage............there is no doubt. As an employee he would be difficult to manage. He doesn't like fund raising and speaking to alumni.........but with the big things he record is very good. He wins every year, goes to a bowl game and wins the game. His players graduate (they lead the Big 12 every year) and they had very few off the field issues. Craig James kid is a bad kid and remember James was at SMU when players received cars, cash and prostitutes on a regular basis..............in other words the James family has zero credibility.

    He has Bob Knight's personality with a bit more of a positive attitude and good press.

    “Kansas may wind up number one in these polls, but that would be so unfair to Texas...” -- Len Elmore, 2/13/11

  • Rimbo said... (original post)

    Great post. One nit to pick: They didn't get rid of him because they didn't like his personality; they got rid of him because they didn't want to pay him what he negotiated. I don't think they gave a crap about his personality. Craig James getting uppity just gave them the reason to do what they needed to do.

    Thanks, and I agree it was definitely over the money owed on the contract but I think part of the reason they didn't want to pay him was because they didn't like him personally. He rubbed a lot of them the wrong way with his antics and very rough around the edges demeanor and I think it pissed them off to pay a guy like that so much money. If the coach that put up those same results as Leach had a Mack Brown politician's disposition and was well liked by the powers that be then they probably would never have minded the contract.