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Why dont they just admit they never wanted him to be their QB and just trade him away so he can get a fresh start. They got a little help with Greg Little and they Peyton Hillis situation didnt help matters at all, but after only a year in their system, they draft weeden after getting TR, get Travis Benjamin in the 4th and now drafted josh Gordon in the second round of the supplemental draft and forego their second round pick next year for him. My homerism is speaking out on this one, but I men cmon. Where was this a year ago?
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They are making it loud and clear that they want to build around Weeden. Why not draft another playmaker for Colt with the Weeden pick? Also could be the homer coming out in me but I didnt think Colt played bad given what he had to work with.
Because they're the Cubs, err Browns. Meant to sux for another 60 years. Commitment to failure.
We need to remember while Mike Holmgren gets credit for developing Bret Farve he was never given the Green Bay GM job because they knew it was over his head. In addition Seattle fired Holmgren was a GM (but let him stay as coach) because talent evaluation is not in his skill set. Lets also remember Holmgrem cut Kurt Warner...................therefore when it come to an ability to evaluate talent he is not Bill Belichick or Gil Brandt.
"Leadership is wisdom, courage and great carelessness of self"
I just hope that Colt actually gets a fair shake with an organization. For whatever reason, he was never setup by the Browns to succeed. For the lack of weapons on offense and a missing oline (outside of Thomas), Colt actually performed well. Hopefully he will get to play a little with the new talent this season.
I agree the Browns organization sucks but personally never felt Colt would fare well in the NFL.
Things sure were stacked against him though and hope he gets a shot somewhere else in the future.
One thing is for sure I have no clue what they see in Weeden.
Everybody passed on Kurt Warner so you can't hold that against him without holding it against everyone else. Same goes for all the great minds that passed on Joe Montana and Tom Brady. In Brady's case Belichek too, five times.
Holmgren developed Farve, Brunnell, Hasselback and Aaron Brooks. He knows a thing or two about QBs. He may not know about other positions, although I don't believe that either, but he definitely knows what to look for in a QB.
I would argue that the Browns were so bereft of talent, outside of Joe Thomas, that the rebuilding job is much bigger than many of us expected. Although, admittedly, he's done a poor job so far drafting so far.
This post was edited by COACH CUTLIP 21 months ago
I would actually give Gruden as much credit for developing Favre as anyone.
The reason I give Belichick credit for Brady is he (and his scouts) were the only people to even talk to Brady or the Michigan coaches before the draft. Did they get lucky when Brady was in there at 199.................yes! But what is it that DKR said about luck? Preparation meets opportunity................
I think Brunnell,Hasselback or Brooks were decent but never outstanding. The fact is Holmgren isn't a good a good player personnel guy............that is my point. I would remind Colt of this if he gets cut.
Everyone said they did not have enough talent on offense. Now they aggressively go out and get help on offense. If Colt can win the starting job isn't this pickup only going to help him next year?
Those guys were all playoff QBs with one going to a SB and Brunnel getting to the AFC championship game I believe. (could be wrong though). Not superstars by any means but good to very good QBs for a long time .
I'm not sure how you can consider someone who got to 3 super bowls not a good player/personnel man. Obviously he had the great Ron Wolf there with him for a time in GB but wasn't Wolf gone later in MHs tenure there? His fingerprints were all over the Seattle SB team.
I'm not saying he's Lombardi or Brandt or Parcells or Belicheck or Walsh or Jimmy but he's been the HC on some very good teams and has had a lot of influence on personnel decisions
Coach remember he didn't draft the guys you mentioned but he did coach them. Its a differt skill set.
Without getting to far into it, I'm just saying he had some input. I wouldn't contribute all of the decisions to the GM. I'm assuming that a coach of Holmgrens stature has plenty of input on players. Anyway that detail isn't worth wasting much time on. My main point was that I believe Holmgren, knows what a good QB looks like, and because of his resume should get the benefit of the doubt if he doesn't think Colt can do the job. Doesn't make him right but I think he does know what they need to be successful.
Disclaimer: I agree that Colt doesn't have anything to work with there and would hope would get another shot. I also believe from what I've read and heard that Daddy didn't help his son's cause any. And that issue could/is a big factor in all of this as well.
I agree 100% ...........
He went 2-2 against the steelers, Saints, Patriots, and the Jets in his first 4 consecutive starts as a rookie. Hes got the talent to make it work and be a decent qb, bit he needed more help and never got it.
To play contrarian for sake of discussion, he was awful as you would expect for a rookie, against NO. They won that game because Brees threw 4 INTs with 2 being return for a TD. In his defense he wasn't bad in those other 3 games.
I still think the Cowboys should trade for Colt. I know everyone is going to say the Cowboys don't need another quarterback, which is true, BUT..... I think Colt is a better quarterback for the Cowboys offense than loser aggie Stephen McGee. But the big bonus is it would be a tremendous PR move for Jerry, and lord knows he needs some positive PR after the last few seasons. Colt McCoy, Dallas Cowboy, Awesome.
I honestly am starting to doubt McGee makes the roster this year. I think they roll with Romo and Orton and a FA to be determined by camp.
I would hope Colt could get a better shot than clipboard jockey 3rd string.
To the premise the Browns are a terrible organization... Welcome to life post 1969.
Damn you man, damn you. I am a life time Dallas cowboy hater. (ok the lifetime that started when Jerry bought the team)
I am a last decade Cold McCoy uber fan.
How could you do this to me. Even suggest something that would make even me root with all my heart and soul for those soulless triple dipped in worthless worms.
yes it makes sense. Yes i hope it happens. But Damn you man, damn you
Colt didn't have anything to work with. Nothing basically. Is/would/could he ever become Brady/P.Manning/Brees/Rodgers, no. Can he be a very succesful NFL QB? Yes. Holmgren is a pathetic talent evaluator outside of the QB position. Look what happened to the Seahawks once they handed him the keys to the organization.
The 2 most overrated head coaches in football (while they were coaches anyway) are Mike Holmgren and Jon Gruden. Gruden won his title with Dungy's players and then the results started slipping.
Colt is the new Dree Brees. Somebody will wise up and see a proven winner. Hope they trade him or let him catch on with a team that knows what they are doing. Browns are terrible at these things. Heck maybe the Saints. San Diego went for size and arm strenght and benched Dree Brees. Look where it got them.
This post was edited by horn4life1 21 months ago
Holmgren got two different teams to the Superbowl. He's in rarified air. Agree about Gruden
Brees never had the arm strength issues that Colt has.
Hes not quite there yet.
I fully understand. Dree Brees wasn't as successful coming out of Purdue as Colt was coming out of Texas either. Brees got really good development in San Diego under Norv Turner. If and when Colt gets the same and he is not sacrificed as the Browns did with him, I am of the opinion he will produce winning results. He is a winner. No he has not reached the level of the present Dree Brees but that (the present Dree Brees) was many years in the making.
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