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Amen and amen. DeLoss has shown his Kansas roots and I have always felt that he loves the Big 12. He is a skilled card player in a very complex game. He had the advantage of having Ann and Bob wanting the weak sisters protected by A&M and Texas to help formulate the big 12. I do not know how the lands lays now. Our governor is an Aggie, there are strong Pac ten support.
Personally I have felt that UT belongs elsewhere. Hard to find Iowa State as exciting as playing LSU or Kansas State as exciting as playing Tennessee- but that is just me.
275-0 scoring margin
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Legally, that means nothing. All posturing and smoke, no matter what you were told.
I think that the LHN/balance of power is the only hangup there. I'm sure the SEC would love to have Texas, but it's a different culture than what Texas has been used to for so long. I try not to be an SEC homer and try to look at things from an outside perspective, but even as I do that, the SEC is just different. It truly is a conference where each member is equal and no one school's vote counts any more than another's. Maybe it's not Texas as a whole, and it's just Deloss, but recently Texas has gotten used to running the show. That would no longer be the case. As far as the LHN goes, it would have to disappear. It would have to be rolled up into the SECNetwork, killed off completely, or reformatted. I don't think the other member institutions would go for the move unless the LHN was addressed.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned academics yet. I remember the last time around the realignment cycle, that was a big point against Texas coming to join us. I never bought it because the SEC is actually a superior academic conference (don't worry, I'm aware we're no Big 10 or ACC, but still). If you take top 75 universities by US News, the SEC has 5 (Vanderbilt, Florida, A&M, Georgia, Alabama) to the Big 12's 2 (Texas and Baylor). If you add Texas to the SEC, it looks even better. Even though it might be a relatively small step up, at least it isn't the same or a step down.
Texas won't get approved for an offer from the SEC. Any new offers from the SEC will involve new states.
If approved for an offer do you think that Texas gets voted in with downvotes from Georgia, Florida, TAMU, Mizzou, and SCAR at a minimum. Former Big12 teams and teams not wanting other in-state teams lobbying for membership makes Texas to the SEC "Outlook: Bad".
Austin already watches SEC football (see ratings). Not sure why Bobby thinks the SEC wants Texas.
I would be all for DeLoss leaving and Texas going to the Sec...
I hear what you're saying but it's a bit naive to think everyone's vote counts the same. In theory everyone is equal, but thats not exactly a reality. Every conference his its alpha males which weigh heavier than others.. Alabama and Florida in particular, in the SEC's case. Not that they get anywhere near the leighway that Texas gets, but none the less they are the SEC's golden boys. Slive has done an excellent job in minimizing that though and keeping everyone happy, and to Bama and Florida's credit, neither overplays their hand despite their obvious power advantages they hold. That's where Texas, Deloss namely, continue to shit the bed. So to your point, yes would be an adjustment for Texas, but assuming we bring in an outsider, like say Oliver Luck, who's not accustomed to Texas' ways of doing things, I don't imagine it'd be too much of a culture shock for him.
As for the LHN, I was alluding to it being reformatted into an SEC network. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. Some of the content that the LHN airs could be kept as air space for a conference network was my overriding point.
The academic angle has always been lip service for Deloss trying to cover up for his being an enormous vagina. If academics were that big of a factor we wouldn't still be in the Big 12, which has far and away the worst academic standing of the big 5 cofnerence.s
I think it's a different situation than Georgia, Florida, Scar, etc. because Texas and ND are the only two overwhelmingly valuable pieces still out there. I know those schools have their "gentlemen's agreement", but A&M is so new - do they get the benefit of that? I'm not so sure, especially when an asset as big as Texas is involved. I'm not saying that there wouldn't be some serious discussions between the SEC schools about the pros and cons, but Slive has a ton of influence and he knows that the money would be there to alleviate most concerns. I know the state already watches SEC football, but just from a matchups perspective, Texas would move the needle enough.
Texas isn't FSU, Clemson or Miami. There are two golden eggs at the end of the realignment rainbow. Texas and Notre Dame. Slive isn't an idiot.
I think we all believe that there will eventually four power conferences and expanded playoffs. I just wish it would go ahead and happen now. Its like little leaks in the dam every year and the dam is going to eventually burst.
Good points. I agree with pretty much all of that. Question on Dodds though - is it truly JUST him who has these anti-SEC feelings, or do you think it extends to Powers, the Board, other influential people, etc.?
Projected 2012-13 revenue by conference
Conference Big Ten Pac-12 ACC SEC Big 12
Total $ 310 million $303 million $293 million $270 million $262 million
Bowl games $40 million $39 million $35 million $50 million $42 million
NCAA tournaments $20 million$14 million $17 million $15 million $20 million
TV revenue $250 million $250 million $240 million $205 million $200 million
Per school $25.8 million $25.3 million $24.4 million $19.3 million $26.2 million
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/01/16/4014439/forbes-big-ten-tops-revenue-list.html#storylink=cpy
It is hard to see, but the Big 12 is actually supposed to bring in more $$$ per school than any other Conference in 2013.
That isn't the argument though.
I think that ESPN needs the Big 12 to stay strong. I think that the Big 12 adds some top ACC programs with strong Football teams. I think that SEC and Big 10 add some teams from the ACC too.
ESPN would have its 2 Power Conferences in the SEC and Big 12, maybe enough basketball schools left in the ACC for ESPN to have a strong Basketball Conference.
You forgot the main course. . . .Don't fiddle too long with the appetizers.
The bulk of all conference revenue is generated by television contracts with networks, and those dollars continue to escalate.
The Big 12 is in the first year of concurrent deals with Fox and ESPN that are worth a combined $200 million annually. The 13-year agreement includes a grant of rights that basically stabilizes the conference.
New television deals for Southeastern Conference could net the league, which has won the last seven BCS National Championship Games, about $34 million annually per school starting in 2014.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/01/16/4014439/forbes-big-ten-tops-revenue-list.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy
14 X 34 million = 476 million annually . . .That is serious money.
This is probably a question better suited for Bobby, but I'll give it a shot.......
I think most of academics working at UT would've preferred the Pac or BIG over anything for obvious reasons. With those seemingly off the table, I have no idea where they;d stand. One would think, that given how far the SEC has passed the Big 12 in terms of academics they'd have no issue with it, but I couldn't really say for sure.
I do know some of the influential alumns have been against it primarily due to the SEC's perceived "shenanigans" for lack of a better term. In this day in age, perception is reality and We lived through the SWC and I think it's made some of them a little more hesitant of any future moves. How adamantly were they against it I don't know.
It's not about Austin, a top 50 market.
It's about greater penetration in DFW and Greater Houston, as well as a national brand.
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Whether valid or not, Deloss and Mack have made comments that lead me to believe they don't want the SEC more than any actual academicians.
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In additions to the blatant cheating that takes place, I was told the anti-SEC feeling transcends athletics. This goes to big time donors, influential alumni, benefactors, business leaders, and families with years and years of historical ties to the University.
It's the huge reluctance to be linked in anyway to the "Old South", dixie, etc racial stereotypes. These folks, see themselves more like a Stanford/UCLA. They have access to money and influence the decisions of this university more than yall can fathom. With one phone call, some of these people can yank away the possible UT Med School on campus.
I don't agree with it and challenge the premise because the SEC has a lot stronger academic profile than the Big 12.but I've been told this by numerous people with various connections and ties to the University. Had a VERY interesting discussion with someone on the athletics council about it last year. Fascinating and sad at the same time. To say it's a "culture" thing would be an understatement.
But if I were AD, I would say "F all that", if you don't want to contribute to our University because of our athletic conference affiliation, you're just hurting future generations of kids and Texans. Then I would pick up the phone and call Slive and say "we're coming in lock, stock and barrel" big boy.
The bottom line is that the Big 12 is a dead man walking in its current configuration. It must expand with major players from the ACC or it will go the way of the Big East.
All of the longhorns/ Big 12 schools were already watching SEC football to see us lose. There is very little penetration to be done in those markets. Texas is more of a liability than an asset right now. Y'all have destroyed two conferences already thinking you could run things. That's the issue. Not the LHN.
I don't think that's any big secret. The only person who comes close to being as Charmin soft as Deloss is Mack.
But to piggy back FWTs question, assuming for a sec Mack and Deloss are gone and we bring in an AD and HC who are both open to the SEC, how much, if any kind of hurdle would academics play into possibly joining?
That's unfortunate, although not terribly surprising. Thanks for sharing.
great user name.
You can't possibly be this stupid......
I don't know about the whole "blatant cheating" thing. While I agree with an earlier post that "perception is reality", if you really look at it, the SEC isn't the standard bearer for cheating by any means. Look at the recent scandals around the country. USC, Oregon, Ohio State, Miami, UNC..... I'm not saying that all of the schools in the SEC are clean as a whistle, but it would be dishonest to say that the SEC leads the country in the category or anything like that. UNC is one of the best academic schools out there and they were blatantly changing grades. That's a whole different level from paying players or other benefits... it's a total disregard for academic integrity. My point is that in some way, shape, or form, no program is 100% pristine. At some places you'll have a situation like at UNC where members of the faculty or staff are complicit. Other times, young, impressionable kids do things that are against the rules despite the best efforts of the staff (like OSU). Granted, Tressel lied afterward and that was a very bad thing to do, but my point is that he and the administration there had no way of preventing a few idiots from doing what they did. You can't monitor these kids 24/7. Many of them come from bad backgrounds and are going to take what they can get. Of course, you have to make the very best effort to guard against that, but no school is perfect and all knowing.
The SEC has certainly had its issues. Look at Auburn. I know it was never proven, but I'm sure Cam got benefits in some form. Mississippi State had a shady role in that saga as well. But the point is, the SEC does not have a monopoly on cheating, and even programs with Texas-esque reputations like OSU, USC, and UNC can have these issues.
As far as the "old South" thing, I guess you can't ever truly get away from that, but it's not like the whole conference is that way. Vanderbilt is a Southern Ivy that is respected across the country and has been home to many elite, high society folks (and not just southerners). Florida is one of the top public schools in the country, and certainly isn't very southern. Obviously Ole Miss and Alabama stand out as examples of very southern schools, but it isn't as if the whole conference has the same identity. Even at Alabama, things are changing. In 5 years here, I haven't seen any more Confederate flags than I did visiting Weatherford, Texas or other small Texas towns. I realize Austin and Tuscaloosa are not Weatherford, but I think you get the general point. This isn't the 1960s anymore, and even though they may not be on the same academic level as Texas, they are still universities. Universities are the places where change happens fastest and progressivism is embraced more readily. That's true even in the south.
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