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It is my opinion Bowlsby would be for expansion, but I think Dollar Bill Dodd does not because he is afraid of the competition.
FWIW, the Dude's twitter is blowing up. B1G may expand tomorrow.
“Kansas may wind up number one in these polls, but that would be so unfair to Texas...” -- Len Elmore, 2/13/11
I think if the B1G poaches Georgia Tech that might get FSU to start looking. Georgia Tech is a southern located football first school. I also think that the B1G wants the Big 12 to gut the ACC so they can possibly add NC, VA or ND.
The guys in Norman aren't too keen on expansion either. Nobody wants to split the pie more than 10 ways right now unless they can make it larger.
I am sure I read in the Dallas Morning News there was a provision for adding teams.
The GA Tech to Big 10 is coming from the MD Scout site.
Here is a link.
Well it's been in the Washington Post since yesterday that Maryland is voting on it tomorrow...so yeah. :)
I purposely avoided putting in any of the details. Interesting stuff... he promises a tell-all (tell-most?) piece tomorrow.
Sure looks like the B12 is paying for not being able to close a deal this summer (assuming there was a deal to be made).
Big12 needs to act imo , never good to be left taking the ugly girl to the dance
Why does the Big 12 need to act? They are the strongest conference 1-10 in college football. Why add 2 teams when you don't have to? The round-robin schedule is much better than the conference championship game model.
Without knowing the particulars of what happened or didn't happen this summer I think the B12 is in a pretty good position right now and I'm a proponent of expansion. Although not for the sake of expansion.
If Maryland, a founding member of the ACC, leaves the ACC can simply add UConn if they choose to replace them. However, it further weakens the conference long term. I know FSU is pissed about being a 1 loss team and essentially completely out of the MNC discussion. They'll still be looking and I have a feeling VTech and NC State will be getting calls from the SEC soon.
The question is what happens after Maryland leaves? The seeds of discontent are sewn and it's just a matter or whether the next conference to strike is the SEC, B10 (again), or the B12. I think the B12 will be the last to act.
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Maryland is voting on whether to accept the invitation tomorrow AM
Under Armour founder and Maryland uber-booster Kevin Plank is 100 percent behind the Terrapins moving from the ACC to the Big Ten, a regent told ESPN Sunday.
The Big 12 can add all the teams it wants, but that doesn't obligate ESPN/ABC/Fox to pay more money.
Exactly. Without a conference network like the B10 and SEC the desire to suck up markets is not as strong.
Our current round robin while more interesting , is putting us at a competitive disadvantage to the other leagues by beating ourselves up and lacking a conf championship game.
Look at bamas schedule this year in the sec
Why hasn't Virginia Tech been added to the discussion of addition to the Big XII along with FSU???
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i absolutely agree that at this point the B12 shouldn't add schools just for the sake of adding. but adding a school - such as FSU - that brings a lot to the table especially in the main sport should be at the least be seriously explored.
If there is $40 to $50 million a year on the table does TEXAS ever consider joining the Big 10?
Texas will not give up the LHN.
I love the round robin, but will we be left in the cold if we dont get at least two more? Then, it has to be the right two. Iwould love to get two of four out of FSU, CLEM, VT or Louisville. My picks would be FSU and CLEM since we alrady have a presence in the Virginia area. I would like to go west and east, but nobody is left out west. Fresno State isnt what they used to be. SDSU isnt there yet. BYU maybe. Boise Maybe. I think if we can get the two big boys from the ACC, then we can get ND to finally start looking.
There is nothing more dangerous in this world than a man with nothing to lose.
The idea that the round robin makes the schedule easier by not subjecting the champs from each division to an extra game is bullshit IMO. It leaves out the fact that you get to skirt by 2 or 3 teams in the other division. It's easier to not play everyone. Look at some of the SEC schedules.
12 gets you an easier path, more money, and more prestige. And yes like I said earlier you have to take FSU if you can.
The Big XII currently splits a very large pie only 10 ways. The only reason to expand is to increase the size of the pie so that everyone makes more from first and second tier media rights.
There simply aren't many programs that can do that for the Big XII right now so there isn't much incentive to expand.
The other conferences are expanding because they have conference networks that need to grow and feed the third tier rights that everyone gave up to the conference. Big boy programs who know they are getting less than what they are worth need greater footprints of the conference networks in order to make up the difference. This results in a much larger pool of expansion targets for those conferences as they try to expand their media footprint to get their networks on basic cable in more households. These programs don't even have to be good as long as they provide access to large media markets.
That's why Florida State and Clemson aren't being considered for the SEC. The Florida and South Carolina markets are already in the SEC Network footprint. North Carolina and Virginia are not which is why NCSU and VT would be better options.
Since the Big XII teams each own their own third tier rights the only consideration is the effect on first and second tier rights. The only expansion targets that make sense for us are those that provide a "big splash" and can bump up those numbers enough to make everyone more money. Everyone else in the conference is responsible for their own third tier rights and isn't held hostage by a conference network.
So the bottom line is that the incentives that are driving other conferences to expand like crazy and keep this realignment mess going aren't currently there for the Big XII. That doesn't mean that expansion doesn't make sense for the Big XII at all - it just isn't the same kind of money driver for our league like it is for the B1G and SEC.
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