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I believe you nailed it and there will be some that in years past would be coming to texas that end up in Colleyville
he's one of the apologists, head in the sand guys.
I look at this season much like every other aTm season where they're poised to take the next great step and "own" Texas, both the school on the field and the state in recruiting (although by moving conferences, it appears the latter is now the only worry). aTm has always been a landmine in its conference: good for one big win a season, but still always playing for third in their division, at best. Thank God it's no longer Texas that has that landmine on the schedule...a game we should always win, so we receive no credit for doing so, but are trashed in the media when we stumble. Alabama and LSU can deal with that now (as an aside, I hate Alabama, and was glad to see them lose, but damn I can't wait until next year when Saban takes his revenge for aTm knocking his team out of MNC game).
This whole "recruiting momentum" is a completely fan-centric idea. In 2010, after we went 5-7, and aTm had their best season in years, these same worries of aTm owning Texas popped up. However, those were overblown, much like this year's worries. Recruits are not going to simply ignore Texas because aTm does not suck in the SEC their first year. We had two great classes following that atrocious season, and we've built another solid, if not spectacular, class this year (with very tight numbers, don't forget). While aTm is getting positive press due to ESPN's alliance with the SEC, it will require beating the big schools more than once to truly make place aTm in the hearts and minds of kids from "Texas to Alabama."
As far as UT "having lost its luster," that has more to do with us not being 100% back yet than the loss to OU, which appears is a much bigger problem to a small, vocal moniority of Texas fans than to HS recruits. Listening to the interviews it appears the recruits see that game as more an anomaly than Texas' trend this season. As they're still playing, recruits actually understand that wins are not assured, and players/teams will have bad outings. As papa horn said, winning cures all. If we finish 10-2 or 9-3 (which is where EVERYONE believed we'd be going into this season), Mack has an amazing pitch to recruits: "We're almost back, and you'll put us over the top."
As WildBill said, the days of us winning 95% of our offers are gone. However, I think fighting for recruits will be something that helps UT. Ever since we could simply "select" our recruits, we've struggled with evaluations due to the insane amount of early commitments we were receiving. Recruits making us fight over them through their senior year allows us to continue evaluating them, and other players as well. So long as Mack is willing to fight to the end for tough battles (tough and clean), we're sure to win our fair share of the big-time players in Texas, and probably find a few late bloomers in the process, i.e. Daje and Santos this past class.
Why? Holtz, May, Pollack, Palmer all had the guy going to NY THIS YEAR "although he shouldn't win it". Heisman is a giant PR campaign combined with ideal timing. If the kid had a year under his belt already and won that game you can be damn sure he'd be getting pimped by the ESPN powers that be.
History has a way of repeating itself...I'll let the aggies screw up their own "momentum", which historically, has occurred many times
WB... IMO, you nailed it! These last two games get big & bigger...
Agreed. Question is does Mack have it in him to fight for the kids when they no longer commit and want to wait it out.
What say you?
Citing the aggy win is silly. One team is headed in the right direction, has a crew good at actual coaching, and a schematic advantage against a team that has a history of being burned by competent spread offenses (remember Utah in the Sugar Bowl). The other has Mack Brown post VY/Colt going against one of the two coaches that have his number. There's a Lloyd Christmas chance in this one.
Of course, there's TCU, who will undoubtedly find their swagger on offense against Manny's "scheme."
td... I believe BrenhamHorn knows a little more than you think he does! But I'll let him tell you that.
Watching the Broncos game and Jimnantz was just talking about Johnny Football and their upset of #1 Bama on an NFL frigging broadcast.
Brenhamhorns brother is a 2014 recruit so I am sure he is intimately familiar with what 2014 kids are thinking and being told.
Oh no...send the Texas coaches out now..Code Maroon..Code Maroon.
Probably thought you were being clever, eh?
Just providing more evidence of what wildbill and jeez guy were saying about the hype and media attention Aggies and Manziel are getting. Nothing more.
Certainly true in Brenham. Probably the case with or without the win. RC pulled in a top 5 recruiting class Mack's 2nd? year. Mack's class was first.
I'd put our chances at about 20%.
But then, I would have bet we would have lost at least 2 of the last 4.
A&M under Sumlin w/Manziel, et al. are now a force to be reckoned with on the recruiting trail. As far as "taking the state"? That's not going to happen if Texas does what it should do, which is win and compete for Big 12 titles. Texas is still the flagship program of the state, it's in Austin, has the most money, etc. and that's simply never going to change. WildBill's original assessment is correct.
One thing to keep in mind is that, despite this being A&M's best team and most magical season in 20+ years, they're highly likely not to play in the SEC championship game and will likely be shut out of the BCS. That's the division they're in and they made that trade.
In the end, kids want to play for hardware. That's going to be awfully damn hard to do with any regularity for the Aggies, despite a dynamic new coach and an apparent transcendent QB.
mods, you tell me who wins if Texas played AM next week......, we would get boat raced by 3 td';s......... I was around for the Sherrill and Bellard days and AM dominted us in recruiting for a decade.......... we are literally on the edge of slipping into that dynamic.....
The sooner we end the "save the Mack Brown tour" and get on with a future , the sooner we compete long term......... Le'ts see....... Sumlin just beat Alabama-in contention for a good bowl game and more than competitive in the SEC...... but you tell a recruit that Mack only gets raped by Oklahoma on even number years and the entire UT complex is geared to insure Mack Brown is not offended when he retires ????? What a sales pitch.....Jeezzzz, we are already begining to look for scraps in 2013.............
A lot of good posts in this thread. I have no doubt the Texas assistants are ready to fight for recruits. I just hope that Mack is and that means getting out to more high schools. Mack is still a big deal when he shows up at a Texas high school.
The big picture says beat TCU and K State and beat the aggies out of a BCS bid, start beating OU and all will be well recruiting wise. I am not concerned about what the aggies do or do not do. I am concerned that schools will use Macks age and the fact that he was on the hot seat this year and may be close to retiring against us.
Ok, I see everyone saying Texas needs to take a step in the right direction. What is that exactly?? Do you guys still think Mack should step down??
Brenhams next star Darrion Johnson Class of 2014
Coaching is a young man's game - to win big you need guys with an insatiable, burning desire to win championships, not a keen interest in hopefully incrementally improving their legacy a bit before they throw in the towel.
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