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The argument is that it's the ugly brand of basketball and lack of success that keeps people from attending games and causes the lack of a home court advantage. But a smaller arena with better seating for students, like bleachers on the sideline, would make for a great atmosphere.
I'm watching Kentucky @ Auburn and the fans are making for a great home court advantage. They're standing, jumping, screaming, the whole thing. AND IT'S AUBURN!
They're an 8-8 basketball team playing against an unranked Kentucky team and the worst of the Callipari era. The score was 6-6 at 10 minute mark, so it's awful basketball... But the students get these great seats and the arena is more enclosed and it seems like a really electric atmosphere...
That is really what we need at Texas. Get the students into these seats, take the fricken band out of the close up seats, and I think we have a home court advantage. And believe it or not, that helps a team succeed. Especially a young team, which we always seem to have....
Could not agree more
This could be a very real development in the not so distant future. One of the proposed sites for the UT Medical School is the current Erwin Center location. My best guesses on where the new arena would be located could include going east of I-35 near the Disch and McCombs fields or staying West near MLK/15th in state parking areas.
Time will tell.
Well, let's stop talking about it and do something. I'm guilty of not going to the games, I went to the Kansas game last year and that has been it for my two 1.5 years on campus. Interestingly, we were forced to go up to the nosebleeds for older people to sit in the lower level.
I think the arena is too far from most students. I don't have a car with me in Austin like a lot of students so walking all the way to the drum is not ideal. West/North campus is too far from the arena. Building a new arena that's further away won't solve anything. I do think we need a new arena, but crossing I35 is the wrong direction.
Last semester we had the fall engineering expo. The university had charter shuttles going back and forth from dean keeton to the FEC all throughout the day. Why can't we do this for basketball games? Instead of luring students to the game to get a free T shirt, advertise these shuttles that take off from various locations (by Jester, Dean Keeton, the Drag, etc...).
Of course even if you get the students to the game there is the matter of the seating as you mentioned, and we need to get it changed. Petitions, emails? It's not gonna change just by complaining.
This post was edited by Thepop 15 months ago
i know you're looking for facts to support your argument, and that at least the 1st 2 points are facts, but they are still kentucky, they're still the defending nat'l champs, and they still have the #2, #8, #14, #40 recruits from last year. i'd also bet good money they're an elite eight team come march.
the fec blows, but this particular data point isn't exactly a good argument.
not sure why you want the band out of those seats either. they need to be down low and what does it matter if you have the students along the sidelines?
A few thoughts on the options...
They aren't going to put a new basketball arena on the state parking areas. That's not an option. The state is not going to turn that area over to the University.
I could see them trying to squeeze a new arena into the UT parking lots West of the Swim Center, and south and West of the Myers Track Stadium and bounded by Red River on the east. Then is would put it in the same neighborhood as DKR, the TSC, and the Meyer. Since all of those facilities are under the control of the Athletic Department, it might make sense to try and fit the arena into that space. But, who knows, there may not be enough room there.
If they needed some close-in parking to go with it, they could always move the School of Social Work somewhere else, bulldoze the building, and put in another parking garage between the TSC and Rec Sports. If they did put in the parking garage, it would probably offset the loss of those parking spots during football season.
i though the med center is going in on the other side of 35 north of disch. no?
I think the ideal location is the LBJ library parking lot. As it would keep all the athletic venues within a 1/2 mile radius.
Students tend to be the most enthusiastic fans. They set the tone for the energy level in the arena. Thus, they need to be up close to the action. All that energy and emotion feeds off itself and each other, creating a great and exciting atmosphere.
Giving the students access to a whole sideline creates the ultimate home court advantage. If they are only at one end or the other, their presence is felt half as much. Plus, if the students are given primo seats, that would create a demand for the seats, helping create an enthusiasm for attending that is not currently present. Without that enthusiasm, the place is dull.
I'm all about a smaller arena. Too often folks only use the logic that more seats = more $. That's not necessarily true. Sometimes a smaller supply can be beneficial long term. As an example, look at baseball. I'm a Braves fan, and we've had a pretty good team for the most part of the last 20 years. Unfortunately, we built a big ass corporate stadium lacking in character that holds 50k+, but seem to fill it to half capacity game in and game out. Now look at the Cubs, they have rarely fielded a playoff team but sell their place out practically every time. Capacity is much smaller, but they draw more fans. Full if character and enthusiastic fans.
Point being, let's rebuild a smaller but more energetic basketball arena!
+1000....Deloss, the students do matter....how about listening for once? I struggled to get to the drum back in 1980...not any easier today. The students need to get the best seats....see Cameron at Duke.
Great idea. As brought up by other posters, the question is where.
ATX69, do you have a source? I have read and heard about this also, and my understanding was that the Medical School would likely go on the parking area to the south of the Drum across the street from the Brackenridge Complex. If that were the case, we might instead just be talking about a new parking garage or two - maybe on the ground parking lots across MLK? And there is room for a smaller garage tucked behind John W. Hargis Hall and the Arno Nowotny Building tucked up against the I-35 access road providing that there are no issues fitting in with the historicity of those two buildings . Some such scenario could easily replace the ground parking in that ground parking lot plus provide additional parking close to the drum that would benefit football games also. This would preserve the recent improvements to the Drum and the recently built team's practice facility. Also, the Drum produces a lot of revenue as an entertainment venue. Would the "powers that be" be willing to give that up or build a new facility to maintain that revenue flow? Building that function into a new basketball facility elsewhere would just re-create part of the same problem we have now.
Thepop, it is just my opinion, but I do not think a new basketball facility will ever be going in in a more central location on campus or, say, in a rebuild of Gregory. Nice idea, but that land is extremely valuable to the University, and you would be hard pressed to find a site that could accommodate a basketball facility and also provide adequate parking for it.
On one hand, I like the idea of having maybe bleacher seating for students for the first few rows close to the court. On the other hand, I think that the idea sucks. Our fans in general, are bad enough when it comes to game attendance. Students are just awful. I have had season tickets for longer than I care to remember, and in my opinion, which isn't worth much, our students don't deserve the seats that they have now on the arena level until their attendance proves that need. Student seating next to the court is a great idea in theory, but our students never come close to filling their seats unless it is a game like Kansas today, and I do not think they filled those seats today. If we allocated several bleacher rows close to the court, I am afraid that we would just have another lame promotion telling people that they can move down there after the game starts.
And, as much as we all like to complain about the old grey hairs, like me, that buy up all of the seats downstairs and don't come to the games, at least they pay for their seats, and I think that that revenue stream is very important to the Athletic Department. Like it or not, re-working the lower level of the Drum to allow bleacher seating for students close to the court and having to move some of those high priced season ticket holders would probably cause more problems than the "powers that be" are willing to take on.
I am not trying to rain on anybody's parade, just trying to provide a little perspective on what some of the issues are. By the way, here is a previous thread on the subject. This is what I found with a web site search. If anybody else knows of any others, please post them.
PostScript - picking up on Nleininger's thought. Not sure how much they would want to encroach on the LBJ School if they tried to put a facility in the parking lots, but combining that space with space from where the Indoor Practice Facility, the Frank Denius Fields and the Athletic Fields Pavilion are located would provide quite a bit of square footage to work with if Red River could be relocated closer to I-35. The same goes for the possibility of relocating Red River to the south just north of MLK. There is quite a bit of surface parking there also. Relocating Red River would allow more room for facilities to give more breathing room to the LBJ School facilities. Don't know what the ramifications would be working with the City and probably the State in relocating Red River to the East - could be very difficult - but those athletic facilities are probably the least expensive to relocate or consolidate of any UT facilities west of I-35.
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1) New Basketball arena in that parking lot in front of the swim center and daycare center
2) New indoor track in that parking lot right south beside the outdoor track.
3) Tear down Erwin Center and build Medical school and more parking garages.
4) Build more parking garages around Disch Falk field.
5) Builld more parking garages on top of that cemetery on MLK...poltergeist.
I have to say- It is a crying shame that students do not get at least a third of the lower level seats including many of them near the players benches. I have to say, I do believe the seats right in back of the opposite team should go to the visiting fans. Lack of close parking needs to be addressed. I do believe that I remember standing room only crowds when old Abe was our coach. Folks were excited. Then De Lo$$ gave us the kaiser.
This post was edited by JFrankWebb 15 months ago
275-0 scoring margin
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Man, you are talking Austin. You need more mass transit and bikes. Maybe a 2 or 3 year study by consultants from Boston to make sure we do not harm the rare Austin slugbug.
I realize it probably won't work, but can Greg Gym be pumped up? Gallagher/Iba in Stillwater wasn't much and they built straight up. just spit ballin
need a tissue??
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If the Erwin center is turned over to the med school (very likely) look for the new arena to be on campus or contiguous to campus (I can't say where but look at a map). The new arena will likely be smaller with a new seating scheme. Student section surrounding the court 5k, club seating above students 4 to 5k. Two or three rings of luxury boxes. Total capacity in the 12 to 13k area. While this isn't written in stone I think it is very likely.
Are you serious? The Drum (I'm hearing they don't call it the drum any more) is NOT that significant a walk from the campus, at least it's not that much more than DKR.
Agree that the students should get better seats. I thought that when I was a student and I continue to believe that now. What we have now is a culture issue, not an arena issue. As it stands, a new arena will have loads of suites, and the long time alumni will still get the good courtside seats. It really doesn't solve the culture issue. Also, let's be honest, most of us don't kickoff the basketball season on Oct 15. It starts when football is finished. We can all help change that mindset.
Timeframe on when this could possibly occur by?
but why can't we do the 5k student seating surrounding the court right now?
Because students do not come to games, their sections in arena level are ghost sections now, and "the powers that be" will not let you move the people who pay for season tickets - a few maybe, but not 5,000. I am sympathetic to the issue, but you have to solve this first.
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Are you also going to replace the new practice facility south of the Drum? I don't think that the Med School will require as much space as the entire Special Events Center plus the new practice facility and the ground parking to the south. The parking to the south is probably big enough. They would probably build up with needed parking underneath. Also, if they tore down the Drum, they would probably want to replace the "Special Events" function. That is a very big revenue stream.
This post was edited by BudreauReye 15 months ago
I would love to have a nice compact, 10,000 seat cozy environment similar to Hinkle-Fieldhouse somewhere off of MLK. I doubt it happens but this would be best for our basketball program.
roger, I know the current location of the Erwin center is one of the proposed locations. Your location above may very well be on the list as well. I don't think anything has been decided yet.
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