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Something to ponder...
1) He turns 59 this summer.
2) He's been at Texas 15 years
3) A new AD will be hired next year most likely
4) The Bev Kearney situation is messy
5) He doesn't look like he's having fun
6) He's officially on the hot seat
Prediction: I think Barnes is going to give it the ol "college try" one more season before calling it quits...aka...retirement into sports analysis or color commentary. If he does poorly, then the new AD will move him out gracefully. If he does good, then perhaps he stays, but I bet he hands the reigns over to someone else.
Barnes just looks like he's made a ton of money, doesn't care as much, get's irritated too easily, and is perhaps mentally preparing himself move on. Texas was a dumpster fire when he got here, and he probably figures he's done about as much as he can do....it's a dumpster fire now, but it'll have a good nucleus of players in 2 years if they all stick around. I think Barnes will be gone by them though...and more by his own choice.
Oh, and he's also a mediocre basketball coach and always has been.
What if those players leave if he retires? Who would step in to coach the team? I can see what your saying but he is recruiting players for 2014-2015 so I would not understand why he was doing that if he was leaving. I agree it is a possibility.
All 3 major mens sports will see turnover in the next 3 years. I'm betting sooner.
9 and 4 at Texas sucks!
- Jeff Howe
I don't think he is burned out, yet. I can see him leaving (one way or the other) and going with a mid major program for one more try.
He's recruiting for the future because thst's his job.
Not sure if you are serious but that is his job and what he gets paid for.
I thought Barnes presented a shaky emotional state during a post game interview early in the conference season when he was constantly twisting a program with his hands during the interview. I think it was after the torching suffered in Ames, but I'm not sure. I don't think the guy is or can be happy right now about the job, except the bit about how he gets a lot of money and doesn't have to worry about not getting a bunch of money next year despite the mass exodus after a horrible year. After all, he has an AD defending him for working to "change the culture."
Everyone will be replaced about the time Dodds goes. The questions are:
1) Does Dodds leave the AD post after next summer when he can qualify for the annuity with a consulting position, or does he remain as AD through his contract which does not expire until Sept. 1, 2015?
2) Does Dodds have a big involvement in picking the successors to Brown, Barnes, and Garrido? I know it has been said that he won't, but people have been known to say one thing and do another.
But yes, I don't see any of those four still around after the 2014-15 school year, and they may all be replaced next summer. Maybe they're tired and somewhat less enchanted by their occupations, but $5.4 million, $2.4 million, and $1.035 million are kind of hard to walk away from when all you have to do is show up, play .500 in conference (and be forgiven if you don't even get close to that on occasion), claim some kind of chagrin at not doing better, and insist you are proud enough to want to stay to fix things.
I don't doubt that each one of them would like to go out a winner, and I guess I don't know enough about the baseball team and its recruiting to predict the 2014 baseball season, but it looks like only Brown will have much of a chance of going out a winner after the 2013-14 year, and the high note on which he leaves doesn't look to be near his zenith of the mid to late 2000's. I wish things were otherwise and Texas winds up in the NC game in football, the Final Four in Arlington, and the College World Series, and there comes a day in which Austin is completely shut down in a spontaneous city-wide street celebration and lovefest at their jointly announced retirements, but I don't see that happening.
This post was edited by bierce 11 months ago
Only serious about who would coach the team.
I was just kidding about that part but, since you brought it up. How do you recruit kids and tell them you will be here knowing you are leaving?
On #2 - no he wont.
I have been a Texas fan for about 45 years. It has been a pretty easy road in football, baseball, golf, and even track and tennis have had some glory in that time frame. Men's basketball had always been bad in my recollections even with the sideshow that was Abe. They won a lot of worthless conference championships before joining a conference with a school that actually cares about basketball. They would always lose in the 1st or second round of whatever tourney they were invited to after the season. Barnes at least brought a couple of years that the national guys respected us, even though that time seems to have passed. My bottom line is that it is hard to get really worked up about firing this coach when the odds are extremely high that the next coach will just bring another version of the same thing we have experienced for 107 years and counting.
i believe things have changed and there is no structural reason for Texas -- with the right hire -- to have a good second tier program
I just hope we can keep Todd Wright when Barnes leaves.
So ... with the right hire, there is no good reason that we can have a good second tier program ... so ... with the wrong hire, we can haz a good first tier program? Just wondering. ;)
We will never be first tier like UNC, Duke, UCLA, UNC, KU, IU -- programs that are blue bloods that care about basketball more than any other sport. We can be a second tier program that can challenge for national titles every so often. Think Florida or Ohio State.
At this point, Barnes is holding us back. He has not done a good job since he ruined our 2009-2010 that started off 17-0 because Barnes decided to be a prick.
Barnes has many faults but that 2009-2010 team was fool's gold. It was not a true "team" with some guys playing more for NBA scouts than for the good of the team, and the competition during the 17-0 run was not that good (other than Michigan State), particularly that UNC team that seemed like a huge win at the time. Then UNC went 5-11 in conference and ended up in the NIT.
They could have finished a lot better.
Anyway, the 2010-11 team was the real deal. He had a shot at the championship and made critical mistakes down the stretch and in the tournament game they lost.
This post was edited by Bob in Houston 11 months ago
“Kansas may wind up number one in these polls, but that would be so unfair to Texas...” -- Len Elmore, 2/13/11
So, we are reduced to arguing about which year Barnes screwed up the most and ignoring the entirety of history before him?
It is nice to think we can even believe that we can be a "second tier" program like Florida. However, Barnes is the only coach in history that has let us sniff that possibility. I hope you guys are right and we can make a great hire after this guy.
The problem is that RB was recruiting better through 2010 or so. There's every indication that his attitude toward players has changed. He's a lot more rigid and harder to deal with. That appears to be a major factor in recruiting right now.
I've always said that Barnes is fine until players stop coming. Well, they didn't get Randle, and 2014 looks bleak. The 2011 class, which was supposed to be a foundation class like 2000, is down to one guy.
That's why history doesn't matter and Barnes is on the ropes.
Bobby Knight redux.
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