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Coach Cal should be fired. He didn't make the NCAA tournament, lost to Robert Morris, gets paid millions, and coaches highly ranked players. Clearly an under achiever. Any other program would fire him tomorrow.
Hopefully Randle was intently watching the game.
Coach: U.T. doesn't have a basketball culture like Kansas, Indiana or Kentucky. Or UNC/Duke. I lived in northern Kentucky between Louisville and Lexington for a year; and then lived in the research triangle of North Carolina for another. We may as well get past that. We are a football culture that only is interested in basketball when we are winning. Kentucky fired Tubby Smith after ten straight NCAA's, with none less than the second round, one championship and three elite eights. There is no question that Rick would have been canned after this year if he was in Lexington. But it doesn't mean that we can't be successful on the hardwood. We have a great in state talent base to recruit and the name to be on prime time national T.V. 10-15 times a year. We should be able to mirror Florida, OSU and Michigan. We may be a football school, but we have a massive fan base, a national franchise name and an in-state recruiting base to be successful in basketball as well.
What I know is that his highest offer (meaning bid) was 175k last July. What I'm guessing at are the teams that typically win those recruitments.
I'm aware that guys on this site that have great info don't believe he'd ever play with the Harrison twins. My source never predicted he'd go to Kentucky, I did that. Obviously I could be wrong, Kansas has always been there. But there seems to be a little desperation in Lexington, WWW reportedly saying they will sign him, and suddenly Kentucky is in the top 2.......
If Texas really was in this thing until the end, I'm a little more worried about our program than I was before. I've never thought we were clean, but wow......this one is up there.
That would have been his fourth firing, too. Barnes would have been canned in Lexington after 2012, he would have been canned after calling a timeout with the ball, a lead, and seconds left against Arizona in 2011, and he would have been canned after 2010.
This post was edited by bierce 16 months ago
There was a thread here about Texas wanting to host CBI semis and finals. I immediately checked Purdue's attendance figures. Only two home games with less than 10,000 attendance, both during vacation breaks (UNC-Wilmington on the day before Thanksgiving, and one of the Christmas break games). They had 14,000+ in a late February game against conference doormat Northwestern, 12,721 for a non-conference game against Lamar, and 13,400 in November against Hofstra.
All of this is true. I think we have had a very successful program under Barnes. I also think we will start being successful again next season.
But, if I was Randle, Frazier, the Harrison twins, Jones, etc. I would choose KU, UK, Duke, and UNC over UT also.
Our massive fan base is pointless to have when they stay at home and don't actually support the program. Michigan, Florida, and OSU have fan support. UT doesn't. Is fan support necessary to win games? No. Is it necessary to recruit top level talent? It definitely helps.
I know you know this, but my post was a joke. Not meant to be serious.
You are correct. Their are people on this board who don't go to games when there are only 3000 people but they sure whine a lot. If you are a jump on the wagon fan then you are no fan. You have to be involved no matter the record if you are a true fan.
Something is up with Gerry and this Randle thing. Usually he will say the Longhorns no longer feel good about their chances of landing a recruit. I have asked him a few times now and nothing......just saying it's odd
You've been on that for awhile and maybe you are right but Randle, like the Harrisons aren't players that need to be bought which is why I never took your claims seriously. But you have been consistent in your thought process, for that much I'll give you credit. Guess we find out tomorrow...
Probably not true.
First where do you want to matriculate if you are a Texas kid. The four you mentioned where you are a 1000 miles away from home and no one you grew up ever sees you, or in Texas playing in front of your family and childhood friends. Its not easy for a kid to back his bags and leave momma and his buds. When I was a kid; I was sick of living in south Texas, but when it came down to nut crunching; I said no to the elite northeast schools and settled for the mid-west. Cambridge and Princeton were too much of a culture shock. Face it; if you are elite, you are going to the NBA regardless if you go to Duke, Kentucky or play for Rick. It doesn't matter. What matters is who you are playing for and if you are winning.
Second, schools with massive fan bases fill stadiums when they have product worth watching put in front of them . Put a crappy team out on the court in Gainsville and no on will show up. The Drum is a crappy design for a basketball arena, and Dodds allots the tickets in a way to get big donations rather than create atmosphere, but U.T. basketball will bring in crowds when it puts an entertaining competitive product on the court. U.T. basketball was a hot ticket during the 2000 years. But once the calendar rolled over in 2010, the story changed.
And I know you weren't serious. But I tend to be a serious person. Texas honestly should be able to compete for the best Texas kids. You have already mentioned Michigan and OSU. Add in MSU. All of those schools primarily recruit in state and in the adjoining states. They aren't the big four that build their programs nationally. What they do is control their in-state talent. How many Michigan and Ohio kids are playing for Kentucky, Kansas and Duke. None. If Texas can put a program on the court that keeps even close to half of its local talent who doesn't want to go a 1000 miles away from home to go to college; we will be a major power. Just put a decent product on the floor. Rick did from 2000-2008.
This post was edited by gordosan 16 months ago
Would like to hear your thoughts on how UT will be successful again next season (especially if Kabongo leaves and Randle doesn't come).
Not trying to be a smart ass genuinely interested in your thoughts.
Serious posters are so serious, even when they are not so serious.
I propose that we dig up Abe, put him in a glass casket, holding a dessicated bouquet of lily of the valley, and roll him out at every half time next year. That'll get'em excited about next season! And, I know that Abe would appreciate the sentiment. ;)
What's not true?
I am a Texas kid. So I answered that question already. Plus, you are different than elite basketball recruits. They are used to being away from home, and 1,000 miles away. And, I think KU, UK, UNC, and Duke are all on t.v. more than UT, unless you get the LHN, so that's not a good argument either.
Yes, the elite are going to the NBA regardless. So, if I will be away from home in a year anyway, I might as well go to college where basketball is king.
I agree on Michigan, MSU, and OSU. But they have better fan support than UT. They also don't have as many dirty handlers as Dallas.
And thanks for giving me another reason to send my son somewhere else. The seating isn't an issue at a basketball school.
Actually, all macabre kidding aside, so would I.
Everyone is back. You can't underestimate experience and the lack thereof this season.
Felix should be better with this season's experience and someone to back him up. Hopefully we will have a good SG since Lewis will have had another off-season, and Croaker is now committed.
I also think our frontcourt will be better. Lammert should be better due to strength gains from the off-season. Holmes is already solid. Ridley and Ibeh were guys that we knew would take time to develop. The off-season can't do anything but help them.
Do I predict a top 10 finish without Kabongo and Randle? No. But we will have a winning record and make the NCAA tournament.
IF, Kabongo returns that would help tremendously. He has shown flashes this season, just not consistency. Not sure why we are surprised about that. He missed 23 games and was trying to save the season, and improve his draft stock at the same time. If he comes back he won't have those two things hanging over his head.
IF Randle commits and Kabongo comes back it is hard to imagine we wouldn't improve. How much? Idk. Definitely a tournament team.
I was an elite recruit, just not in basketball. Plus, I hated my mother and my high school at that point in my life, but I still wasn't ready to live full time in a different culture that I had grown up in. That holds true for most kids. The break from home is very difficult. That's why OSU, Michigan and MSU are able to keep their elite players close to home. If they are heading NBA after a year; why not play at home close to momma and their high school buds.
Adulation where basketball is king. Kentucky, that translates to pay-offs. No question about that. Lawrerence, Chapel Hill, Durham; you are right. Its being big man on campus; but its also getting to play for the best the coaches. With what we are paying for our coach; we should be able to put a great product on the court. Seating shouldn't be an issue at Texas either; and it isn't when we put a winning product on the court.
You really are dumb.
You are right. You are pretty serious. You do not have a sense of humor either. Lighten up. You will live longer ... oh, right! You should already know that! And here is a little retro emoticon for you! ;)
It doesn't hold true for a lot of elite basketball recruits. A lot of these guys live with their AAU coaches or handlers for part of the summer, or stay with teammates. The others are away from momma every weekend from March to August. The Defenders played in one tournament in Houston last year. All the others were all over the country. And that doesn't include the camps that kids go to during the summer.
And as a H.S. coach I can tell you that a lot of H.S. kids aren't concerned with their H.S. buds. If they were they wouldn't transfer to other H.S. as often as they do for basketball.
I'm not trying to challenge mods or their integrity. Just offering a different view from a source that is easily as connected.
""Humor must not professedly teach and it must not professedly preach, but it must do both if it would live forever."
At some level you are probably right. These are kids who haven't had a family live ever. No father. Mine died when I was ten; but that's still different from never having one. A 16 year old mother when you were born; and probably raised by a grandmother with 10 other kids. The AAU coach is as close to a father figure you can trust as you will come to having. Its sad, but it probably is reality.
But is the story that much different in Texas than it is in Michigan and Ohio; where the major in-state schools hold on to their in-state talent. The problem is that the Texas basketball franchise in state is severely tarnished. I don't think the Harrison's left purely for the allure of Lexington. When I read what Gerry has said about Randle; this is a kid who really wanted to stay close to home.. I don't think Smart was purchased by Oklahoma State last year. Texas kids have watched U.T. basketball for the last six years..
I can't speak for Randle, but I know for a fact that the twins were going to UK long before they announced and it had nothing to do with UT's lack of success. It's Kentucky!! They are the Alabama of college basketball.
I also know that UT' s lack of success had nothing to do with Jackson's decision to choose UNC. It's North Carolina.
I have a feeling that Jones' decision to go to Duke had nothing to do with UT either, just as Sulioman's didn't.
And again, Michigan, MSU, and OSU support their teams. Especially MSU. How do you sale a player on UT when no one is at the games?
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