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A lot of folks have joined the debate about Tyrone Swoopes as the next great QB prospect for Texas. This recruiting year, Texas made a major push for, and received a commitment from, Tyrone Swoopes over a number of other highly rated QB prospects within the state, including Cody Thomas and JT Barrett.
Irrespective of how anyone has viewed any of those players, one thing that can't be denied is that the level of competition for Swoopes is so far below that of many of the other big time prospects that it makes comparisons between them all very difficult. I guess the notion is that Swoopes would put up such ridiculous numbers that it would make it hard to do an apples to apples with someone like Barrett.
How about just using someone else as an analog? Colt McCoy was another 2A QB who went on to be recruited by a major D1 school. He also played with nothing special on his roster and his school had never been much before McCoy was taking snaps and they haven't been anything since. So why not look at Swoopes in the context of being a 2A standout versus another guy who fit the same bill?
Rather than go into the plethora of stats that can be sliced up any old way and most of which favor McCoy dramatically (he's the all-time leading 2A passer in Texas HS Football history), let's just look at team performances in their JR and SR years and see how their skills and leadership affected their teams' outcomes. Recognizing that Swoopes isn't finished with his SR year yet, we can just keep updating this throughout the season.
So here we go:
Colt McCoy:
JR - Tuscola Jim Ned went 15-1, losing in the state finals to San Augustine, 28-7.
SR - Tuscola Jim Ned went 12-1, losing in the regional finals to Canadian, 32-27. Canadian finished as a state semifinalist.
McCoy went 27-2 in his JR and SR years as a HS QB and took Tuscola Jim Ned to heights it never experienced before or since.
Tyrone Swoopes:
JR - Whitewright went 7-4, losing in the first round of the playoffs to Lone Oak, 63-7. Whitewright lost 3 of its last 4 to finish the season.
SR - Through 5 games, Whitewright is currently 0-5. Whitewright lost this past weekend to Muenster (3-2 on the year), 51-8. Swoopes was out the previous week against Callisburg when Whitewright lost 35-6.
In the last 2 years, Swoopes is 7-8 as a starter. The good news is, he still has district ahead of him and he can still lead his team on a big run deep into the playoffs. Should be an interesting closing to the season. Here's hoping he can make a Vince/Colt-esque run with a non-traditional power that gels around him and allows him to carry them deep into the playoffs.
[Sidenote: Garrett Gilbert won 2 or 3 state titles as a HS QB, albeit with some D1 talent around him and in a system that wins titles irrespective of QB play, but it's good to remember records aren't everything, I guess.]
Anyway, thoughts? Who else is cheering for this dynamic Whitewright team to take on the identity of their talented leader?
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WildBill71 said...
The thing that bothers me most about Swoopes is his attitude/personality. He so closely resembles Garrett Gilbert at this point that I don't even bother reading quotes from him, as I've already seen them. He's a soft-spoken introvert, much like Gilbert. He probably goes in stalls to take a leak. It wasn't Gilbert's "thing" to recruit players from his class, as it was the coach's jobs or some shit. Swoopes, who is highly ranked everywhere and kids know his name, is never mentioned by recruits as recruiting them either. Gilbert couldn't lead because it was an "upperclassmen thing", and I can already hear Swoopes muttering those words.
People want to compare Swoopes to Vince, Cam, Tebow, and other run first QBs, but he lacks the killer instinct of all those guys. Vince, Cam, Tebow, were all ginormous voices in the locker room, Swoopes is the exact opposite. People hope he can be Blake Bell, who has shown to be a marginal passer so far but a big, strong runner, but Blake Bell is the cockiest dude in every room he walks into, including Landry Jones' room. David Ash doesn't have that voice that the above guys have, but he's a cocky dude. Shoulders back, head up, looking the world in the eyes.
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Fumblerooski said...
I'm hoping that his team sucks so bad that he is just pressing and that's causing problems.
Realistically, a top flight D1 athlete should be able to carry the damn ball by himself 35 times a game and beat some of these weak ass 2A teams. Should be like a grown man playing against his kids at that level. I mean it's not like he's playing against 2A teams like Refugio.
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ut755 said...
I watched Ricky Seal Jones play Columbus last year. Before the game was over I called Jeff Howe and Gerry and told them both that he sucked balls. He didn't make a single explosive play all night. By the end of the 3rd quarter he was sitting on the bench and pulling a towel over his head.
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WildBill71 said...
The thing that bothers me most about Swoopes is his attitude/personality. He so closely resembles Garrett Gilbert at this point that I don't even bother reading quotes from him, as I've already seen them. He's a soft-spoken introvert, much like Gilbert. He probably goes in stalls to take a leak. It wasn't Gilbert's "thing" to recruit players from his class, as it was the coach's jobs or some shit. Swoopes, who is highly ranked everywhere and kids know his name, is never mentioned by recruits as recruiting them either. Gilbert couldn't lead because it was an "upperclassmen thing", and I can already hear Swoopes muttering those words.
People want to compare Swoopes to Vince, Cam, Tebow, and other run first QBs, but he lacks the killer instinct of all those guys. Vince, Cam, Tebow, were all ginormous voices in the locker room, Swoopes is the exact opposite. People hope he can be Blake Bell, who has shown to be a marginal passer so far but a big, strong runner, but Blake Bell is the cockiest dude in every room he walks into, including Landry Jones' room. David Ash doesn't have that voice that the above guys have, but he's a cocky dude. Shoulders back, head up, looking the world in the eyes.
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Black Shipley said...
Has he proven otherwise in any capacity yet? lol
Also... chillax ctj and wildbill, et al. It's clear that this guy is our super secret DE recruit that we desperately need for this class. Duh!
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close to jumping said...
Colt McCoy:
JR - Tuscola Jim Ned went 15-1, losing in the state finals to San Augustine, 28-7.
SR - Tuscola Jim Ned went 12-1, losing in the regional finals to Canadian, 32-27. Canadian finished as a state semifinalist.
McCoy went 27-2 in his JR and SR years as a HS QB and took Tuscola Jim Ned to heights it never experienced before or since.
Tyrone Swoopes:
JR - Whitewright went 7-4, losing in the first round of the playoffs to Lone Oak, 63-7. Whitewright lost 3 of its last 4 to finish the season.
SR - Through 5 games, Whitewright is currently 0-5. Whitewright lost this past weekend to Muenster (3-2 on the year), 51-8. Swoopes was out the previous week against Callisburg when Whitewright lost 35-6.
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ut755 said...
You are conveniently ignoring the results of his sophomore and junior years. You are also ignoring that he has been hurt much of this year. I don't know how else to explain it. He is 6'4" 225lbs, he runs a 4.6 to 4.7 40 yard dash. When he gets to Texas and is running behind an offensive line that is averaging 310lbs + he is going to be a load.
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His athleticism is overblown big time. He's a good athlete when compared to other QBs, but he's not as athletic as David Ash. Bigger, yes, but not more athletic. And David Ash could not carry a team when only asked to use his legs.
That's good he's going to be a load behind that OL. They will severely shrink the playbook and teams will stack the box. Fun stuff.
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