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Case IS staying!

  • txhookem78 said...

    Wow...so what your saying is this staff has essentially wasted a scholarship offer on a player just bc he's not VY and will never develop into the premier All American starter in your eyes, so we might as well accept whatever happens for the sake of landing someone who may or may not be the answer at QB in the near term? Interesting thought process. It seems your losing sight of the recruiting aspect of all this. I also never compared Brewer to VY BTW. What happens if Wallace isn't the answer? I admit that we don't know what we have with Brewer either, but the same coach (Harsin) evaluating Wallace certainly saw something in Brewer that he liked and thought he could develop over time. If this kid Wallace isn't the quick fix guy u appear to think he is and u end up losing Brewer, then what do you have left? Your back to square one.

    As I mentioned in a recent post, I'm not against the move ( offering Wallace) so long as there is some attrition involved. I'm sure will have some light shed on what's happening behind the scenes that has led our staff to this decision, especially after Mack's own statement in the presser about not going the JUCO route. I'm sure it will work out and Brewer will remain as part of the equation, however its hard to imagine him not being concerned if everything remains as is with the addition of Wallace.

    Terrible post. Austen never said that nor implied it. You are taking his quote intentionally out of context because you don't agree with it, and trying to make his comment seem extreme. Brewer is a very good prospect, but that is all he is right now. He won't play a meaningful role for two years, maybe more. I believe he will be an extremely good player possibly on Colt's level. But, we don't know that and Texas needs help in any way it can upgrade - now. Case is not an asset on the field, regardless of being the winning QB at the Aggie game. The defense and special teams won the game. Case was okay and by the grace of God he didn't fumble when getting pummeled. I appreciate what he did, but that is all that he has done.
    Back to the issue. QB is a major problem. To pin your hopes on Ash performing at a high level or on him not getting hurt is risky. I think we are all making too much of Brewer having a problem. The coaches are not that stupid. We all need to give them a little credit. Major and Harsin were both QBs and seem to have this pretty well in hand.

    TexasBlackjack ●

  • close to jumping said...

    I hope he transfers. I don't have any venom for him, but I hope he transfers. He's not a D1 caliber QB. That's not a critical statement, it's a simple reality. He's a fumble risk on every snap due to size, he has an incredibly weak arm, and he and his father perpetually stir drama about playing time as though this were high school.

    I watched McCoy throw a tantrum on tv during the OU game. I saw him looking pissed on the sidelines in several others. I heard his dad speak in the spring and basically tell an audience that his son was the only real solution at QB. It's not Internet innuendo. I have seen things with my own eyes that I am sure others have witnessed as well, in large part because it was all semi-public or public.

    It's not venomous to look at the situation for what it is and discuss it that way. Otherwise, the boards are worthless. You want rah-rah sunshine with nothing but happy face emoticons? Hornfans has plenty of slots open. Not saying that's you, TexShoe, just that it's some folks the minute anything mildly negative is touched on about a player, coach, or team issue.

    CTJ, I have been lurking for years on BC, Hornfans (God, how pitiful a place that is) reading your insightful, succinct postings. You nailed it, as usual. McCoy has made it clear that he feels entitled to the QB position. First time I have heard anybody confirm that Brad speaks publicly about Case being the answer. Totally delusional. There is your root cause to the problem. Dad McCoy and Case inquired elsewhere, threatened to leave, got no offers and overplayed their hand. They have a pair of 4's and bluffed like it was a full house. Game over. You shouldn't have the nerve pull that crap with the University of Texas if you aren't prepared to suffer the consequences. Mack needs to not renew Case's scholarship. Never should have had one, but that is Mack being Mack. I have no "venom" for Case either. Good kid, but he is not who he thinks he is. I wish him the best at UTEP, ACU or where ever he lands, but he will apparently have to walk on unless it is as a small school.

    TexasBlackjack ●

  • RobertHol said...

    Terrible post. Austen never said that nor implied it. You are taking his quote intentionally out of context because you don't agree with it, and trying to make his comment seem extreme. Brewer is a very good prospect, but that is all he is right now. He won't play a meaningful role for two years, maybe more. I believe he will be an extremely good player possibly on Colt's level. But, we don't know that and Texas needs help in any way it can upgrade - now. Case is not an asset on the field, regardless of being the winning QB at the Aggie game. The defense and special teams won the game. Case was okay and by the grace of God he didn't fumble when getting pummeled. I appreciate what he did, but that is all that he has done. Back to the issue. QB is a major problem. To pin your hopes on Ash performing at a high level or on him not getting hurt is risky. I think we are all making too much of Brewer having a problem. The coaches are not that stupid. We all need to give them a little credit. Major and Harsin were both QBs and seem to have this pretty well in hand.

    "He is not a program changing recruit that we need to be worried about losing. I want to win NOW, not 3 years from now."

    What was he actually implying then? There seemed to be a great deal of assumption in that statement and that is what I was trying to point out in my reply. I'm not advocating for Case to stay. What I'm saying is that if we decide to offer Wallace, I'd rather lose someone we've already seen and come to the conclusion that what you see is what you get as opposed to potentially losing a solid recruit that "this" staff offered and have yet to visually see his potential under this system. I'm not on here trying to forecast what Brewer or Wallace might be in a year or two. What I am saying is I'd certainly be worried about losing Brewer over keeping someone like Case on the team. If we make the offer great, but I would hope that it is an offer that is made based on planned attrition.

    txhookem78

  • txhookem78 said...

    "He is not a program changing recruit that we need to be worried about losing. I want to win NOW, not 3 years from now."

    What was he actually implying then? There seemed to be a great deal of assumption in that statement and that is what I was trying to point out in my reply. I'm not advocating for Case to stay. What I'm saying is that if we decide to offer Wallace, I'd rather lose someone we've already seen and come to the conclusion that what you see is what you get as opposed to potentially losing a solid recruit that "this" staff offered and have yet to visually see his potential under this system. I'm not on here trying to forecast what Brewer or Wallace might be in a year or two. What I am saying is I'd certainly be worried about losing Brewer over keeping someone like Case on the team. If we make the offer great, but I would hope that it is an offer that is made based on planned attrition.

    For once, now that we are out of the Dark Ages of Greg Davis evaluations and quaterback crownings, I actually have confidence in the foresight and intelligence of the offensive staff. Nobody on this thread is going to think of something that Major, Brian and Mack have not already thought of and carefully considered. I'm confused about your next to last sentence about "losing Brewer over keeping someone like Case on the team." I agree with that, but I don't see how that is the issue unless you are saying Bo is on Case's level and not worth risking losing Brewer. Nobody is on Case's level. I don't recall any QB at Texas being on Case's level, ever. Wallace is big, can run, throws pretty well, and according to the EMCC coach is great at reading defenses and throwing to the correct man. That is why the coaches are possibly going to offer him. Again, they are way more informed than anybody on this board, and are certainly aware of the reprecussions of their actions. Everybody needs to relax and not worry about Brewer. I think Harsin has a pretty good feel for Conner and his parents feelings and intentions. The only way this turns out bad is if Case is left in charge of whether Bo gets an offer or not. That would be absurd and will make Mack look like he is allowing Brad and Case to call the shots.

    TexasBlackjack ●

  • RobertHol said...

    For once, now that we are out of the Dark Ages of Greg Davis evaluations and quaterback crownings, I actually have confidence in the foresight and intelligence of the offensive staff. Nobody on this thread is going to think of something that Major, Brian and Mack have not already thought of and carefully considered. I'm confused about your next to last sentence about "losing Brewer over keeping someone like Case on the team." I agree with that, but I don't see how that is the issue unless you are saying Bo is on Case's level and not worth risking losing Brewer. Nobody is on Case's level. I don't recall any QB at Texas being on Case's level, ever. Wallace is big, can run, throws pretty well, and according to the EMCC coach is great at reading defenses and throwing to the correct man. That is why the coaches are possibly going to offer him. Again, they are way more informed than anybody on this board, and are certainly aware of the reprecussions of their actions. Everybody needs to relax and not worry about Brewer. I think Harsin has a pretty good feel for Conner and his parents feelings and intentions. The only way this turns out bad is if Case is left in charge of whether Bo gets an offer or not. That would be absurd and will make Mack look like he is allowing Brad and Case to call the shots.

    Another words, we've already seen what Case is capable of. I'd rather lose him to attrition as opposed to losing a incoming recruit. I'm certainly not comparing Wallace to anyone. He hasn't even thrown one pass on this team, much less been offered a scholarship yet, so it would be foolish to even attempt that. Based on what we've visually seen thus far from McCoy however, I don't think the results get any better at this point. My concern is that if you leave everything in place as is and you decide to offer Wallace anyway, then the QB field becomes crowded again. I'll repeat, I don't have a problem offering Wallace, so long as Case is no longer on the team as a QB. I don't see how this works in the end if that's not the situation here. That's way too many reps to divide up. If Case decides to stay, I can assure you, it won't be because he wants to be the best team sideline cheerleader. He's going to want playing time, as is all the QB's.

    No question the coaches are more informed and as I mentioned in my previous post, I'm sure there are things going on behind the scenes that have led us to this change in thinking. I hope it all works out in the end. I guess time will tell.

    This post was edited by txhookem78 on 1/5/2012 at 7:35 PM

    txhookem78

  • Great to hear Case is staying.

    liquorcandy

  • liquorcandy said...

    Great to hear Case is staying.

    An internet poster said it, so basically nobody said it. For all we know this annoynomous source might be Case's girlfriend saying "guess what y'all, Case is staying in Austin. He even talked to GDGD". My guess is that Case realized nobody cared, nobody offered, and he needed GDGD's support to beg his way back into Mack's graces.
    Until it is confirmed by a legitimate source, Case staying is nothing but bull droppings. Too much "me" and not enough TEAM. Case needs to transfer. Sally, tell Mack to be strong.

    TexasBlackjack ●

  • Based on the Wallace news looks like he is staying. Yuck.

    PDX Horn ●

  • That would make him 2-2

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    Longhorn in OK ●

  • the guy looked around no one wanted him. we are stuck with him. waste of a scholley

    DualThreatQB

  • name one positive from this development.. i cant think of one

    KingHorn

  • liquorcandy said...

    Great to hear Case is staying.

    Here, here. Very important piece of the football team. Right now, a better QB than Wallace, Brewer, Gilbert, Overstreet, or Wood.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Rick Zoloft on 1/7/2012 at 8:41 PM

    Rick Zoloft

  • Rick Zoloft said...

    Here, here. Very important piece of the football team. Right now, a better QB than Wallace, Brewer, Gilbert, or Wood.

    You need to change your name to Rick LSD, because you're effin trippin.

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    HookemDTX

  • his twitter feed says he's a 'dang longhorn'

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    XoGisele

    BuddyHolly

  • Rick Zoloft said...

    Here, here. Very important piece of the football team. Right now, a better QB than Wallace, Brewer, Gilbert, Overstreet, or Wood.

    Why stop there? You left out Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Stafford, and Newton.

    RichUT

  • Rick Zoloft said...

    Here, here. Very important piece of the football team. Right now, a better QB than Wallace, Brewer, Gilbert, Overstreet, or Wood.

    I think you missed liquorcandy's tongue-in-cheek intent.
    No way Case's staying is good for this program. I would take any of the above guys as a backup to Ash before taking Case. Wood saw the nepotism issue with McCoy and Dad McCoy (which is apparently still alive and well) and Gilbert was still here at the time Wood left. At least Overstreet can take a hit and can run and has great athletic traits.

    TexasBlackjack ●

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