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Bryan Harsin

  • If Greg Davis was still the OC, this board would have melted down during or after almost every single game this year. The results this year on offense were quite poor.

    And actually, GD had less to work with last year.

    You won't like to hear that, but........

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  • TulsaHorn said...

    If Greg Davis was still the OC, this board would have melted down during or after almost every single game this year. The results this year on offense were quite poor.

    And actually, GD had less to work with last year.

    You won't like to hear that, but........

    I disagree that Davis had less to work with in 2010 than Harsin in 2011. As much as we all turned on Gilbert, he was still more effective than either Ash or McCoy. We simply hand-cuffed our QBs this past season in order to cut down on the turnovers.

    "Ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall make you free"

    TexShoe

  • 81horn said...

    It is still befuddling to me to have witnessed the incredibly low talent level on offense the last two years. That is not on Harsin. It is on Mack. Let's see what happens over the next two years. I still believe in Harsin big time.

    This is how I see it also. His improved QB play will open things up. I look at it like driving a vehicle with standard transmission and having to keep it in first gear all the time. Next year he is going to be able to open that baby up and let 'er run.

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    Texasmdcoach ●

  • RichUT said...

    I'm not going to draw too many conclusions about his offense until he gets some of his players in place. I do know that we were much better this vs. the previous year.

    But it's a moot point. We could bring in the love child of Bill Walsh, Mike Leach, Emory Bellard and Don Coryell to be our OC and our fans would come up with reasons to whine and complain about him.

    Even if he were an offense genius, he would be the ugliest guy on the block!!

    maddlaw

  • I hope he gets a HC job somewhere after 2012.

    I'm ready for Applewhite. Minnesota will be relieved of Tim Brewster's contract after this season (they have to pay through 2012 so long as he isn't coaching if I recall correctly), so move Chambers over to RB coach if you must keep him, Applewhite QB/OC, Brewster TE.

    WildBill71 ●

  • I've never understood the logic that Brewster would want to be a college level TE coach again.

    Beast 512

  • WildBill71 said...

    I hope he gets a HC job somewhere after 2012.

    I'm ready for Applewhite. Minnesota will be relieved of Tim Brewster's contract after this season (they have to pay through 2012 so long as he isn't coaching if I recall correctly), so move Chambers over to RB coach if you must keep him, Applewhite QB/OC, Brewster TE.

    so you're implying that Harsin didn't meet your expectations in 2011?

    "Ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall make you free"

    TexShoe

  • Alan Trubow said...

    I think he gets another year before the real judgement begins.

    He's got to develop Ash. That's No. 1. A big part of how he's judged next season will come down to how much Ash improves.

    Agree. I'm not too worried about his play calling, especially with the personnel he had at his disposal this year. Developing Ash is where he's gonna have to earn his money IMO.

    Chrispy2284 ●

  • TulsaHorn said...

    If Greg Davis was still the OC, this board would have melted down during or after almost every single game this year. The results this year on offense were quite poor.

    And actually, GD had less to work with last year.

    You won't like to hear that, but........

    I thought all of the GD apologists were gone. GD was a laissez-faire style coach that allowed the offense to rot from within and should be blacklisted from the sport. Trying to compare him to Harsin in any fashion is ridiculous.

    Chrispy2284 ●

  • TulsaHorn said...

    If Greg Davis was still the OC, this board would have melted down during or after almost every single game this year. The results this year on offense were quite poor.

    And actually, GD had less to work with last year.

    You won't like to hear that, but........

    I guess the difference, my Tulsa brother ,is that everyone knows Harsin did not recruit these guys but Davis did.

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    Texasmdcoach ●

  • Beast 512 said...

    It isn't so much route combinations as it is what we do overall. It seems like to me we motion our fullbacks and tight ends the most. Our WRs rarely motion for the passing game. It's a show game and I think it makes us easier to defend in this area. The flip side of that is I think all of the motion and mis-direction we put out there for the running game is fantastic. We seem to do so much more with our running game. Jet sweeps, pistol, diamond, wildcat, etc.

    I would suggest to you that that was a product of an extremely simplified Harsin offense done for the benefit of already confused QB's. It's no coincidence that the amount of motions and formation changes decreased when GG was benched. It's not a concern of mine.

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    Bobby_Batronic

  • Bobby_Batronic said...

    I would suggest to you that that was a product of an extremely simplified Harsin offense done for the benefit of already confused QB's. It's no coincidence that the amount of motions and formation changes decreased when GG was benched. It's not a concern of mine.

    I would suggest to you that you haven't watched or studied the Boise offense much.

    Beast 512

  • TulsaHorn said...

    If Greg Davis was still the OC, this board would have melted down during or after almost every single game this year. The results this year on offense were quite poor.

    And actually, GD had less to work with last year.

    You won't like to hear that, but........

    GDGD had over a decade to prove himself. Outside of one, maybe two years he has gotten less out of the offensive talent than one would reasonably expect.

    Harsin got about as much production out of the talent on hand as could reasonably be expected of a first year coach. If they don't improve production by ~20% next year then I'll worry about him.

    mts

  • TexShoe said...

    so you're implying that Harsin didn't meet your expectations in 2011?

    no

    WildBill71 ●

  • Beast 512 said...

    I would suggest to you that you haven't watched or studied the Boise offense much.

    ...and that would be your second poor take in this thread.

    I got brains. I got big ol' brains. I got dinosaur brains.

    Bobby_Batronic

  • Bobby_Batronic said...

    ...and that would be your second poor take in this thread.

    To this point, the evidence is in my corner. The passing game is built off of the running game. Without the running game, the offense bogs down at both schools. There is a reason for that.

    Beast 512

  • Hookem Duguid said...

    what makes you ask? Im scottish actually.

    Clearly was the "whither".

    Just too early to know how good Harsin is as an O.C. Boise State obviously has been an offensive power house; but can Harsin completely reproduce Peterson's offense. Alabama was using a lot of the basic sets and motion that we used this year. Looks like teams are trying to copy the Boise sets. Obviously, he didn't have much to work with. We'll have a much better idea next year when he has a solid offensive line and a deep healthy running corp and a better set of receivers to work with.

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  • I believe he did a good job when considering he brought in a new offense, had new coach’s, older players that were recruited to be finesse players not physical players, numerous first year players, freshman quarterback that under normal circumstances would have most likely redshirted and then have your top three running backs injured at the same time. I can’t think of any team that would have done any better without their top three running backs.

    CelinaHorn

  • Beast 512 said...

    To this point, the evidence is in my corner. The passing game is built off of the running game. Without the running game, the offense bogs down at both schools. There is a reason for that.

    And that has nothing to do with WR motion, which was your concern. The running game looked more complex and was more effective because the offensive line has only 6 basic blocking assignments which we dressed up with motion and jet sweeps to influence the defense. Once Ash and McCoy started taking starter snaps we went from changing formations 2-3 times and or motioning to usually one shift and or motion.

    While our offense this year was recognizable as the Boise template, it was extremely dumbed down and simplified for our green QB's. Yes, BSU primarily motions their TE's and backs, but they often make wholesale formation shifts, and sometimes several of them. We're two years away from being able to legitimately judge Harsin's offense as we are still missing experienced pieces for this system.

    The really telling thing this year was not how the offense performed, but how often the plays were there and not made because an OL missed a block, the QB panicked or didn't read the defense well, or our deep threat off the play action post was 6 kinds of up in his own head.

    Now carry on with your reaches.

    I got brains. I got big ol' brains. I got dinosaur brains.

    Bobby_Batronic

  • A lot of factors hamstrung him - new offense for players, QB, injuries, etc. There were definitely some times though that his play calling was suspect.

    Let's see what he does this year. Should be much improved at every position. So we should see improvement in the Offense with another year of learning the system.

    I'm not overly worried though as long as Applewhite doesn't leave. If Harsin stumbles this year, then move him out and finally give Major the OC job without any prefixes. He will have had 2 seasons to learn the Boise offense, is a great recruiter and can add his personal touch to play calling.

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    Horns4ever

  • Coach Finnstock said...

    Not gonna judge until he has even a competent QB. IMO he did a great job of playing around our deficiencies. Smoke and mirrors until the team better understood the offense, running team once the QB position cratered, not much you can do once your top 3 RBs go down.

    And very young OL. Also the receiver postition went downhill big time after Ship got hurt.

    beldar

  • Now that we have signed our new class, I believe we will start to see what he can do. The staff will now have time to work with the quarterbacks to keep the team from becoming one dimensional which happened several time last year. It appeared to me that he was forced or thought he needed to use the trick play last year to advance the ball or keep the drive going compared to keeping the defense honest and another way to involve more players.

    I anticipate seeing a lot more out of him next year. And if nothing else I got my wish of several years of not having Greg Davis.

    CelinaHorn

  • Hookem Duguid said...

    I have been going back and forth on whither I should post this or not but I would like to know others opinions as well. When I heard Harsin was coming to TEXAS I thought ok? His Offence seems fun for the players but very gimmicky and very unpredictable, (both a good and bad thing). After the season I have watched every game twice and some more. (I am a bit of a film junky) and too be honest I’m not overly impressed. Having said this I think the play of the QB hurt his play calling a lot but I am not convinced that he is the answer. Yes the trick plays were great and we had a surprisingly high scoring percentage on trick/ gimmick plays. But his 'base' offence left some to be desired. I also understand that we had all of our running backs hurt at some point during the season and at one point all were hurt at once.Also he has shown that he is not on the same level recruiting as Major (though i doubt many are. Am I being too hard on the guy? I need to see next season to see what he can do with more time but I’m not overly encouraged. Feel free to tell me what I might be missing I have been know as a bit of a pessimist. Not trying to hate on the guy just wanting to know if i am the only one who thinks this. Thanks.

    Bad/young OL without a tackle , true freshman RB, QB, and a WR. I'm not sure what you were expecting.

    "Ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall make you free"

    TexShoe

  • I think without the untimely injuries or even one less injured running back we beat Missouri and K-State, and then we are having a totally different conversation.

    CelinaHorn

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