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Bobby - PSU tranfser rule question

  • my understanding is that if a school takes a psu transfer, it is allowed to exceed the 85 man roster for the 2012 season. in the 2013 season, the school needs to get back down to 85.

    this usa today article seems to suggest that the school accepting the transfer would forfeit a scholarship in 2013. does that jibe w/ what you are hearing? or is the article just poorly worded?

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    The NCAA is also making things easier for schools that may be pursuing Penn State players, although coaches from those schools still are not allowed to comment publicly on any players they are going after, said NCAA spokeswoman Stacey Osburn. But, if a player transfers for the upcoming fall semester to a school that has already reached its scholarship limits for this season, the school can exceed those numbers for 2012-13 as long as it reduces its limits proportionately for next year.

    Thus, if a player transfers to a school already at the limit of 25 initial scholarships for this year and 85 for the overall roster, the school will be limited to 24 initial counters in 2013-14 and 84 overall.

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2012-07-24/NCAA-rules-Penn-State-transfers/56466588/1

    roger huerta

  • I was told yesterday that all school has to do is be back at 85 for 2013.

    Jeff Howe

  • The way I read it was they had the meet the 25/85 rules...

    If a student-athlete transfers for the fall of 2012 to a school that has reached its scholarship limits, the school may exceed these numbers for the 2012-13 academic year, provided it reduces such limits proportionately in the 2013-14 academic year. For example, if one student-athlete transfers to a Division I school already at the legislated limits of 25 initial counters and 85 overall counters for 2012-13, the school will be limited to 24 initial counters and 84 overall counters in 2013-14.

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  • papa horn said...

    The way I read it was they had the meet the 25/85 rules...

    If a student-athlete transfers for the fall of 2012 to a school that has reached its scholarship limits, the school may exceed these numbers for the 2012-13 academic year, provided it reduces such limits proportionately in the 2013-14 academic year. For example, if one student-athlete transfers to a Division I school already at the legislated limits of 25 initial counters and 85 overall counters for 2012-13, the school will be limited to 24 initial counters and 84 overall counters in 2013-14.

    this is where the confusion is. your 1st statement in bold contradicts your second statement in bold.

    roger huerta

  • The transfer rules were undated yesterday on the NCAA website.

    There are a few ambiguities, and it wouldn't be surprising if some clarifications will be coming - especially in regards to the
    contact rules and the length of time that incoming freshmen have to transfer.

    Something that will be interesting to follow is the departure of fr. and so. offensive linemen between now and the end of next season. That could have a
    large impact on the commitment of the QB, Christian Hackenberg. It appears that Ryan Nowicki, a freshman lineman is transferring. There may be others.

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  • roger huerta said...

    this is where the confusion is. your 1st statement in bold contradicts your second statement in bold.

    Depends on the definition of is, I guess. If you add a PSU player, and no other player "loses" a scholarship, it's common sense that you'd have to make do with one less in the following year. But if all you are able to do in taking the player is move a scholarship from next year to this year, suddenly, the idea of adding a player this year may not be so attractive.

    If the NCAA is trying to create a market in which PSU players can move without penalty, it doesn't make sense to set up a potential obstacle to taking the player.

    “Kansas may wind up number one in these polls, but that would be so unfair to Texas...” -- Len Elmore, 2/13/11

    Bob in Houston

  • I know that the 25 man limit was an initial hangup. I know that schools no longer feel that is a barrier.

    As for the 85-man limit, that's a different story.

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  • BobbyBurton said...

    As for the 85-man limit, that's a different story.

    lol well, yeah - that's why i'm asking! lol

    if you could ask around about it, i'd appreciate it.

    roger huerta

  • Bob in Houston said...

    Depends on the definition of is, I guess. If you add a PSU player, and no other player "loses" a scholarship, it's common sense that you'd have to make do with one less in the following year.

    except there isn't a 170 over 2 years limit. taking a scholarship away the year after seems odd, and somewhat punitive, to me.

    to me, the common sense way to handle it is to give the school a 1yr exemption in 2012, limit the players (so wvu or tosu can't take a dozen), and require the school to make their 85 man limit in 2013.

    roger huerta

  • I think it comes down to how you are counting the PSU player. I think the rule means 84 plus the exempt PSU player . . . or if there is no such player because, for example, they were a senior, then its back to 85. But admittedly, that is just what I was thinking and as you point out, the rule can be read both ways. Probably more logically the way you are reading it.

    I have another PSU rule interpretation questions that I don't quite get. PSU is subject to a 65 scholly max, yet they currently have approximately 85. If all players, or at least all underclassmen, elect to stay, does that mean they can only have 5 schollys next year? It seems to me that there is a presumption they will lose a lot. What if they don't? Does the 65 roll in over a 2 year period or will they receive a 20 scholly reduction next year?

    Hornoflatulence

  • roger huerta said...

    to me, the common sense way to handle it is to give the school a 1yr exemption in 2012, limit the players (so wvu or tosu can't take a dozen), and require the school to make their 85 man limit in 2013.

    Yeah, seems easy enough.

    Who knows what they are thinking? I'm sure they have thought of several unappealing results and are trying to stop all of them somehow.

    “Kansas may wind up number one in these polls, but that would be so unfair to Texas...” -- Len Elmore, 2/13/11

    Bob in Houston

  • Hornoflatulence said...

    I have another PSU rule interpretation questions that I don't quite get. PSU is subject to a 65 scholly max, yet they currently have approximately 85. If all players, or at least all underclassmen, elect to stay, does that mean they can only have 5 schollys next year? It seems to me that there is a presumption they will lose a lot. What if they don't? Does the 65 roll in over a 2 year period or will they receive a 20 scholly reduction next year?

    I believe I read that the 65 is as of 2014. They're limited to 15 scholarships this year and 15 next. Freshmen and sophomores are most likely to transfer, and juniors and seniors will age out. I don't think the 65 limit is going to be a big problem.

    I did hear Emmert say something about anyone that wanted to not play but stay at Penn State would keep his scholarship. Maybe they would have to cut.

    “Kansas may wind up number one in these polls, but that would be so unfair to Texas...” -- Len Elmore, 2/13/11

    Bob in Houston

  • Makes sense. Thanks.

    Hornoflatulence

  • Just to be clear, I believe that's a four-year limit of 15 per year, even though I mentioned two in reference to the 65-scholarship question.

    “Kansas may wind up number one in these polls, but that would be so unfair to Texas...” -- Len Elmore, 2/13/11

    Bob in Houston

  • well, it seems to be the same wording on the ncaa site:

    Financial Aid limitations
    If a student-athlete transfers for the fall of 2012 to a school that has reached its scholarship limits, the school may exceed these numbers for the 2012-13 academic year, provided it reduces such limits proportionately in the 2013-14 academic year. For example, if one student-athlete transfers to a Division I school already at the legislated limits of 25 initial counters and 85 overall counters for 2012-13, the school will be limited to 24 initial counters and 84 overall counters in 2013-14.

    http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/20120723/21207234

    roger huerta

  • So if you have to cut a scholarship next year for every PSU player you take this year, that's going to act as a limit on any particular school's interest in signing multiple players.

    Unless, of course, you're under the limit.

    “Kansas may wind up number one in these polls, but that would be so unfair to Texas...” -- Len Elmore, 2/13/11

    Bob in Houston

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