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Oh, but he is!!!

Thanks. It's a fun discussion to have. It certainly makes the offseason much more interesting than in the past.

TAMU has already penetrated quite deeply into DFW and Greater Houston. Texas just cannot hope to provide any sort of similar penetration that A&M did. That reeks of TCU type TV sets added compared to the depth now(hyperbole but the analogy still fits).

The point with Austin is that during the TAMU/BAMA game Austin watched the game with much higher ratings than either Dallas or Houston. With that type of viewership already in place for SEC games, the question is that who isn't already watching the SEC on TV.

And your statement was that the SEC wants Texas. Texas needs the SEC to increase their national brand. The SEC does not need Texas to increase their national brand. North Carolina and Virginia penetrate much deeper than Texas could ever hope to nationally by adding to the SEC overall viewership.

Interested to hear more about why you think the SEC wants Texas. I just don't see the SEC passing up the opportunity cost of adding an unrepresented state outweighing the nominal addition with the much smaller uptick in adding Texas. Also, I see that Texas is politically hamstrung by all equal members in the SEC never approving the move.

Appreciate your response earlier. Cheers.

We sell the most merchandise in the whole country. We have the highest profit margins in the whole country. We have one of the strongest traveling fanbases to bowl games. We played in the highest rated championship game of all time.

I understand wanting to dive into a new market, but none of the new markets on the block offer even close to what Texas does in terms of revenue, prestige, and fan support.

It's not like we are talking about adding Southern Mississippi here when you already have Mississippi locked down.

No but you are only talking about adding a small sliver over what is already taken hold in Texas by the SEC. The state of Texas is already locked down.

The SEC already has Austin television sets on lockdown. Why buy the cow if you are Slive?

Are you saying that you believe that adding University of Texas to the already waves of viewership in Texas outweighs new markets in populous states which are unrepresented?

Edit: It is what is best for the SEC not for Texas. Bobby's premise is that the SEC wants Texas. That just doesn't add up.

Edit:: Change milk to cow. jumbled idiom.

What is a conference? What does it do? It creates a group contracting force where the group contract for the whole is better than the sum of its parts. It creates schedule simplification for ADs, particularly in the minor sports. It creates rivalries due to repeated annual games.

Now think outside of the box. Think the Big ACC - nothing would exist with that name, but as for as scheduling goes and as far as a championship game goes - probably only in football - it would resemble what people consider a "conference" today. However, it would remain two independent conferences for all other purposes.

Imagine a world where the winner of the Big XII (the Big ACC West) plays the winner of the ACC (the Big ACC East) in an annual championship. During the season there is a set schedule of cross competition that creates the repetitiveness that resembles exactly what the SEC East and SEC West are doing. The only difference is that for group contracting purposes and lesser sports, the two conferences remain separate.

Now imagine a playoff where the four finalists are the winner of the Pac 12, the winner of the Big 10, the winner of the SEC and the Winner of the Big-ACC. You would then have an effective 8 team playoff. I believe this is what is in the works.

1) Scheduling across the country will get better out of conference once we get rid of the BCS and implement at least an 8 team playoff.
2) Big 12 only needs to expand if it is the right teams with the national appeal. It's one thing to add West Virginia or TCU. It's another to add Utah State, San Diego St., SMU, etc. With that said, it would be nice to bring in Florida State and Clemson to get to 12 and have a national title game.
3) IMO the conference can improve substantially nationally with the improvement of Kansas and Iowa State in football. If Iowa State could emerge as the team to beat in the state of Iowa and Kansas could help steal some of the Kansas City market away from Missouri, I think it would help the conference considerably on a national stage.

it seems you vastly underestimate the value of Texas and the money it would bring to that conference.

The SEC would jump at the chance to add Texas? Why? Because it increases the quality of the tier 1 and 2 tv inventories. Adding UT to the already compelling matchups would be a HUGE boon for the SEC. TX vs Bama? TX vs LSU? TX vs Arky? TX vs ANM? TX vs Auburn?

The tv ratings on those would be sky high. Not to mention the fact if UT got a good draw from the East. UGA vs TX? UF vs TX? TX vs Tenn?

You're just adding at least 8 or nine games to the big time SEC time slots on CBS and ESPN with Texas being the true national draw.

One thing tamu people have a hard time understanding is Texas is a national University. tamu is regional. There's empirical proof all over the place.

Would be amazing.

Just not true. Nobody in NYC confuses Texas with Bama. They may believe all Texans have horses and guns, but they do not associate Texas with the Deep South. I lived in NY a longtime. You are just not accurate on this post.

I think a&m did the right thing for themselves by moving to the SEC. And they deserved all the credit they received this year. But, they are not a nationally known brand and Texas is. You hardly see a&m apparel outside of Texas. I average 200 nights a year away from home, all of which is out of state and country and the amount of Texas clothing is significantly more than most others. Unless you count the local teams in that area.

As for Texas and the SEC, I do not think Bobby is breaking a story by saying the SEC wants Texas. Texas leads the nation in revenue. One of the top 10 most recognizable programs in the country. Texas also has an Excellent academic reputation. Outside of ND, it is the biggest prize not in a stable conference. It is pretty obvious why any conference would want Texas. SEC has no network yet. They do not share 3rd tier rights equally, that is a fact. It will likely change, but it has not happened yet. SEC is used to bullies. They have dealt with Bama for a long time, so Texas would not be an issue. I would prefer the PAC anyway. Western states are now growing faster than the southeast. That will mean western recruiting grounds are likely to much more important over the next decade. Linking markets of LA, Seattle, Denver, Phoenix, Dallas, Houston and Austin. Will garner more money than the Southeastern markets. Texas and friends (OU, OSU, and TTU) would put the PAC on a new level. One of the PACs biggest issues is inventory, more specifically day games. That would be instantly solved.