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Big 12's Best: Quarterbacks

  • Brian Ethridge said...

    The proven weapon.

    Wright is the only receiver lost off Baylor's team

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    Florence also held Baylor's all time passing yards in a game prior to RGIII breaking it this year with 428 yards defeating MU in Columbia.

    Florence isn't #10.

    No disrespect (and I might be wrong), but didn't Terrance Williams leave for the NFL?

    I'm sure there's talent behind Ganaway, but I was just speaking about proven commodities. Those guys aren't really proven. Seastrunk has a lot of talent and Salubi had a solid season in 2011, but they're not quite proven IMO.

    Florence may not be 10th, but I don't think he can go much higher than 9th at this point. He was 2-6 as a starter in 2009, and only played in one game in 2011 against an awful Tech defense. He could easily move up the list when things get going this fall, but I think at this point he belongs at or near the bottom of the list.

    Again, no disrespect,

    Dave Behr

  • HighFire said...

    I had to quote this because I can only upvote once. If you didn't see the light starting to flicker on for Ash during the course of the HB game, you weren't paying attention.

    I was paying close attention to the game.

    I'm not going to get into a spitting contest here - Our offense in the Bowl was pretty much abysmal except for maybe one or two drives. Ash had a few good passes, but more poor than good. It really was pretty painful to watch the replay.

    I'm not here in the least to bash the guy, I hope he wins the friggin' Heisman next year. Perhaps there will be dramatic improvement from last year, I sure hope so.

    I just didn't see all that big of a game, and the stats sure bear that out.

    And, to pin your hopes on an improved performance for only part of one game, I dunno.

    Again, I'm the furthest thing from a player basher, and I hope he does great. I'm just not overly optimistic. Hope what Bobby is hearing is accurate.

    Maybe I should see if Jesus has an article up..... (Just kidding....)

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  • BobbyBurton said...

    Please stop using the bowing emoticon. It's giving me a complex.loco

    All in fun. You do a great job and seem to have your head screwed on straight. I assure you I would not do it if I thought it was necessary to curry your favor.

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  • Dave Behr said...

    No disrespect (and I might be wrong), but didn't Terrance Williams leave for the NFL?

    I'm sure there's talent behind Ganaway, but I was just speaking about proven commodities. Those guys aren't really proven. Seastrunk has a lot of talent and Salubi had a solid season in 2011, but they're not quite proven IMO.

    Florence may not be 10th, but I don't think he can go much higher than 9th at this point. He was 2-6 as a starter in 2009, and only played in one game in 2011 against an awful Tech defense. He could easily move up the list when things get going this fall, but I think at this point he belongs at or near the bottom of the list.

    Again, no disrespect,

    No disrespect taken.

    Williams is #1 on Kiper's board for 2013.

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    Brian Ethridge

  • Brian Ethridge said...

    No disrespect taken.

    Williams is #1 on Kiper's board for 2013.

    Brian, I like it when you post here. Thanks for doing that.

    It'll be interesting to see just how much RGIII's ability to run brought to the Baylor offense.

    Teams couldn't slide down against Baylor to take away the zone read to Ganaway because of the threat of getting beat too easily by RGIII on the backside.

    With Florence, that threat just isn't there.

    The run game is what I suspect will look different next year.

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  • BobbyBurton said...

    I think I just saw a different game than you. I saw Snyder take almost zero chances with his play-calling because he had the lead. Third and three and he ran the ball on at least four occasions.

    It's what he has done since the dawn of time up in Manhattan. He plays to win, and if that means punting and playing defense and not being risky with his play-calling, then so be it.

    I'll take Colin Klein as my QB over Landry Jones every day of the week and twice on Sunday. I'm aware that's not conventional thinking, but I believe it.

    Jones is a product of the system IMO. Klein is the best dual-threat QB in the league IMO. He can't help it if his offensive line is routinely overwhelmed.

    How can you watch the UT vs OU and UT vs KSU games last year and make this statement?

    InsightTexas

  • InsightTexas said...

    How can you watch the UT vs OU and UT vs KSU games last year and make this statement?

    Jones coundnt run the offense at KSU because he doesnt have the wheels. Klein couldnt run OUs offense either with is weak passing skills. So, it really depends on what type of offense you are trying to run. Jones was very good last year, but not great. The offense took a step back big time when Broyles and Whaley got hurt. He still did great. He should be either #1 or #2 on this list. There is not a better passer in the BIG 12 than Jones and he runs a balanced offense, not a spread. Florence should be very high too. The guy is a player and still have plenty of speedy WRs that can catch. Ash? Sorry fellas. The only people he should be ahead of are people that are unknowns.

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  • One guy I think is under-rated is Seth Deoge. I didn't see many games, but kid impressed me in DKR. He wasn't bad vs OU either, so he actually played well vs the best defenses in the Big 12. His numbers are pretty even to Landry's numbers. Big difference was he didn't have Landry's talent around him and he did not get to pad his stats playing Tech defense. Not sure he should be moved up, but don't be surprised if he turns out to be one of the better QBs this yr

    Codaxx

  • BobbyBurton said...

    Please stop using the bowing emoticon. It's giving me a complex.loco

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  • If Ash's play is in the bottom half of Big 12 QBs at the end of next year, I will be physically ill. Three years of piss poor QB play is too much to tolerate. That'd mean every D1 school in Texas and Oklahoma would have a QB with post season conference honors except us, TT and RICE during that time frame! That includes UH, TCU, Baylor, A&M, OU, OSU, SMU, and UTEP!

    Rriggan

  • Rriggan said...

    If Ash's play is in the bottom half of Big 12 QBs at the end of next year, I will be physically ill. Three years of piss poor QB play is too much to tolerate. That'd mean every D1 school in Texas and Oklahoma would have a QB with post season conference honors except us, TT and RICE during that time frame! That includes UH, TCU, Baylor, A&M, OU, OSU, SMU, and UTEP!

    Well, if the overall quality of QB play in the conference is good to excellent, it would be possible for Ash to have a pretty good season and still rank in the bottom half of the conference.

    I frankly don't care how Ash compares to other Big 12 QBs. I simply care that he (or whomever starts at the position) plays well and the Horns win.

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  • Ya'll can keep bitchin or underratin our QB ....we here now...he had a big yr. as a soph. another yr in this system ...yessir..and we have MONSTER receivers coming back...yall's gonna be surprised

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  • F'eersome said...

    Ya'll can keep bitchin or underratin our QB ....we here now...he had a big yr. as a soph. another yr in this system ...yessir..and we have MONSTER receivers coming back...yall's gonna be surprised

    So, ranking him #1 in the Big 12 is underrating him? BTW, you may have noticed that I included the "g" at the end of underrating. It may come as a surprise to y'all, but we take as much pride in academics as we do football. Congratulations on not confusing Plato with Pluto.

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  • F'eersome said...

    Ya'll can keep bitchin or underratin our QB ....we here now...he had a big yr. as a soph. another yr in this system ...yessir..and we have MONSTER receivers coming back...yall's gonna be surprised

    Yeah, I don't really follow. Smith is No. 1.

    It'll be interesting to see how the jump in competition affects him. Another year with Holgorsen should help, but will it be negated by playing Texas and Oklahoma (etc) instead of Rutgers and UConn (etc)?

    Dave Behr

  • InsightTexas said...

    How can you watch the UT vs OU and UT vs KSU games last year and make this statement?

    The Texas defense had not settled in to the new scheme by the ou game. Texas got no (zero) pass rush against Jones and he had all week to complete passes. I'm not suggesting that Jones would have been curb-stomped had the game dates been reversed, but I think he would have been held a little more in check.

    ChampKind

  • F'eersome said...

    Ya'll can keep bitchin or underratin our QB ....we here now...he had a big yr. as a soph. another yr in this system ...yessir..and we have MONSTER receivers coming back...yall's gonna be surprised

    You must not have actually read the article, huh?

    No one on this board is underrating WVU. Smith is getting his respect here but there are some legit questions about how your team will hold up over the course of a BXII schedule. Personally, I'm very excited to have the Mountaineers in the conference. I think they've been a solid program over the past decade or so and will be an improvement to the strength of the BXII.

    ChampKind

  • TulsaHorn said...

    I was paying close attention to the game.

    I'm not going to get into a spitting contest here - Our offense in the Bowl was pretty much abysmal except for maybe one or two drives. Ash had a few good passes, but more poor than good. It really was pretty painful to watch the replay.

    I'm not here in the least to bash the guy, I hope he wins the friggin' Heisman next year. Perhaps there will be dramatic improvement from last year, I sure hope so.

    I just didn't see all that big of a game, and the stats sure bear that out.

    And, to pin your hopes on an improved performance for only part of one game, I dunno.

    Again, I'm the furthest thing from a player basher, and I hope he does great. I'm just not overly optimistic. Hope what Bobby is hearing is accurate.

    Maybe I should see if Jesus has an article up..... (Just kidding....)

    +1

    Good post. To me much of UTs offensive problems the last few years have been interceptions. While our qbs may have responsibility for some (and are likely blamed for all by some fans) I truly believe that the lack of "pass catchers" and route runners was a major factor in this problem. If the qb can not feel that his receiver will be where he needs to be, he has to press and his mind is filled with doubt. Lets just say Ash will be a very good qb if 1. we have a good receiving core (a healthy Shipley will help) and a line that keeps our qb upright.

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  • Brian Ethridge said...

    The proven weapon.

    Wright is the only receiver lost off Baylor's team and they were laser timed last week:

    Reese - 4.32 Sampson - 4.37 Williams - 4.49 Darius Jones - 4.46 Goodley - 4.36

    Ganaway is being replaced by Seastrunk (4.38) and Salubi (4.42) last week.

    Florence also held Baylor's all time passing yards in a game prior to RGIII breaking it this year with 428 yards defeating MU in Columbia.

    Florence isn't #10.

    Brian,

    Appreciate you posting over here. All that speed only has value if the receivers can get open, catch, and hang on to the ball. Without a running threat under center, teams will not have to defend the read option and there will be more defensive pressure on the passing game. It will be interesting to see how the loss of Griffin and Wright affect the Bears offense.

    ChampKind

  • ChampKind said...

    Brian,

    Appreciate you posting over here. All that speed only has value if the receivers can get open, catch, and hang on to the ball. Without a running threat under center, teams will not have to defend the read option and there will be more defensive pressure on the passing game. It will be interesting to see how the loss of Griffin and Wright affect the Bears offense.

    Well, to be fair, Florence is hardly a statue. Hes not RGIII, but not many are. Florence is not a spring chicken. He has some meaningful reps under his belt. So, losing RGIII will hurt in terms of pure speed, but Florence is capable. As for losing Wright, they have others to step in. He was hardly the only threat they had.

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  • BobbyBurton said...

    I think Ash could be higher or lower than 6th. I certainly think he could be as good as anyone except for Smith and Klein, both seniors, next year. Of course, he could be as low as 9 or 10.

    If what I am hearing is correct, I think the Texas QB situation is going to be a positive this year.

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    Iowa State QB is without a doubt better than Ash. No way Ash will move up on this list. Kansas QB will more than likely move ahead. Better hope Swoopes turns out because Brewer is not all what he's cracked up to be. That's an honest opinion.... First one on this post

    vest78

  • vest78 said...

    Spin Spin Spin

    Iowa State QB is without a doubt better than Ash. No way Ash will move up on this list. Kansas QB will more than likely move ahead. Better hope Swoopes turns out because Brewer is not all what he's cracked up to be. That's an honest opinion.... First one on this post

    Sorry, bud. I haven't seen your baseball.

    bbliss

  • Not that my opinion is worth all that much, but Ash would no higher than eighth on my list. He may well improve by a lot from last year, but to me it's a stretch To say that he is any better than how he played in the Holiday Bowl, which is adequate at best. His play during the regular season seldom reached that level IMO. Having said that, it is important to remember that true freshmen are rarely more than adequate, so we can hope that he will make some progress in the coming year. I'm just cautious about projecting too much on him.

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