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bierce said...
You guys in full riot are somewhere in between 1) missing or ignoring key information and 2) way out of line. 11.5 points per game isn't a lot, but it is for a team that averages less than 60. In fact, it's enough to be the leading scorer while also being the leader in assists, the third leading rebounder, and the second leading shot blocker.
Are we the same fanbase that has been bemoaning the overindulgence in one and dones? Hmm. Yes, we are.
Could we at the same time be a fanbase that understands a long armed and quick 6'3" guard that plays very good defense and has good ball handling skills would be a one and done if he stepped on a college campus already known as a great three point shooter?
The biggest knock on Bradley before coming to Texas was iffy outside shooting. Holland appears to be roughly as good as Bradley in that aspect of his game and is a significantly better ball handler. While it is unlikely Holland to be close to the defender that Bradley was as a freshman, give Holland a couple of years and he could be an outstanding player.
He could be the new Royal Ivey. He could develop a great shot. He could be a version of Justin Mason who can shoot FT (which would be a very valuable player if not combined with another guard that can't shoot).
I suspect Barnes has information that we don't concerning Brown, Clarkson, and Pollard. Whatever he knows, or even if he knows nothing, I don't see this as a bad signing, if Holland does sign.
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bierce said...
My apologies. I didn't mean to make it sound like no one should question this signing. I don't object to questioning a signing (if a signing occurs), but a straight affirmative rejection of the guy before he even sets foot on campus is a bit much.
I'm not saying he's Bradley, Ivey, or Mason. I'm saying he has a lot of good things going for him, even if outside shooting isn't one of them at present.
I will almost always defer to GQ03 when it comes to evaluating talent, but I have to think there is something Barnes knows about the current crop of players and the present targets that makes this recruitment make sense.
If a guy isn't a one and done, he's always at risk of being recruited over. It's up to him to work hard and earn his PT.
I don't want an entire team of athletic guys who can't shoot the ball, but I'd rather have an athletic 6'3" guy sticking around for four years than a 6'0" guy who isn't real fast.
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bierce said...
You guys in full riot are somewhere in between 1) missing or ignoring key information and 2) way out of line. 11.5 points per game isn't a lot, but it is for a team that averages less than 60. In fact, it's enough to be the leading scorer while also being the leader in assists, the third leading rebounder, and the second leading shot blocker.
Are we the same fanbase that has been bemoaning the overindulgence in one and dones? Hmm. Yes, we are.
Could we at the same time be a fanbase that understands a long armed and quick 6'3" guard that plays very good defense and has good ball handling skills would be a one and done if he stepped on a college campus already known as a great three point shooter?
The biggest knock on Bradley before coming to Texas was iffy outside shooting. Holland appears to be roughly as good as Bradley in that aspect of his game and is a significantly better ball handler. While it is unlikely Holland to be close to the defender that Bradley was as a freshman, give Holland a couple of years and he could be an outstanding player.
He could be the new Royal Ivey. He could develop a great shot. He could be a version of Justin Mason who can shoot FT (which would be a very valuable player if not combined with another guard that can't shoot).
I suspect Barnes has information that we don't concerning Brown, Clarkson, and Pollard. Whatever he knows, or even if he knows nothing, I don't see this as a bad signing, if Holland does sign.
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bierce said...
Even after watching the Mickey D's game? I'm joking. (Sort of, anyway.)
I don't think we can criticize this recruitment on the basis of what Texas might have gotten earlier. It's fair to criticize on the basis of what it might still be able to get, but the Smart-Forte binary system is no longer available.
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bierce said...
My apologies. I didn't mean to make it sound like no one should question this signing. I don't object to questioning a signing (if a signing occurs), but a straight affirmative rejection of the guy before he even sets foot on campus is a bit much.
I'm not saying he's Bradley, Ivey, or Mason. I'm saying he has a lot of good things going for him, even if outside shooting isn't one of them at present.
I will almost always defer to GQ03 when it comes to evaluating talent, but I have to think there is something Barnes knows about the current crop of players and the present targets that makes this recruitment make sense.
If a guy isn't a one and done, he's always at risk of being recruited over. It's up to him to work hard and earn his PT.
I don't want an entire team of athletic guys who can't shoot the ball, but I'd rather have an athletic 6'3" guy sticking around for four years than a 6'0" guy who isn't real fast.
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gordosan said...
Much more reasonable post. Obviously; my inclination to to think that Barnes and his staff know more about high school players than we do. A low 3 point percentage isn't the end of the world for an athletic kid who can defend and put the ball on the floor. Obviously, one of three things is occurring. We aren't getting Pollard[most likely], Brown is leaving[hopefully not]; or either Gibbs or Bonds is transferring. Gibbs is a very poor man's Lucas. I won't be surprised at all if he is transferring with Kabongo coming back and Felix coming. If Brown comes back; Gibbs isn't going to see even garbage minutes. Bringing in a big athletic hybrid guard who can red-shirt a year and work on his outside game; and then be ready to give some decent minutes at the point in 2013 makes some sense.
The question is whether we could pick up a better long term prospect next year. We don't need this kid next year. We are fine at guard. I don't follow recruiting as closely as many of you do, so I'm not going to throw out names. . The odds are overwhelming that Kabongo will go pro next year, and obviously Brown won't be here in 2013; leaving us with Felix as our only point guard. We should be in great shape at the two until 2014 with McClellan and Lewis. They are both very good players, should be here for four years. But we definitely need another point guard for 2013. So if anyone wants to throw out names for the 2013 class; it has a name that projects to the point.
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gordosan said...
Much more reasonable post. Obviously; my inclination to to think that Barnes and his staff know more about high school players than we do. A low 3 point percentage isn't the end of the world for an athletic kid who can defend and put the ball on the floor. Obviously, one of three things is occurring. We aren't getting Pollard[most likely], Brown is leaving[hopefully not]; or either Gibbs or Bonds is transferring. Gibbs is a very poor man's Lucas. I won't be surprised at all if he is transferring with Kabongo coming back and Felix coming. If Brown comes back; Gibbs isn't going to see even garbage minutes. Bringing in a big athletic hybrid guard who can red-shirt a year and work on his outside game; and then be ready to give some decent minutes at the point in 2013 makes some sense.
The question is whether we could pick up a better long term prospect next year. We don't need this kid next year. We are fine at guard. I don't follow recruiting as closely as many of you do, so I'm not going to throw out names. . The odds are overwhelming that Kabongo will go pro next year, and obviously Brown won't be here in 2013; leaving us with Felix as our only point guard. We should be in great shape at the two until 2014 with McClellan and Lewis. They are both very good players, should be here for four years. But we definitely need another point guard for 2013. So if anyone wants to throw out names for the 2013 class; it has a name that projects to the point.
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