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B12 Pre-spring QB rankings

  • chupita said...

    He threw the ball around a lot, that's for sure... Texas fans would say that it all lands on the QB's shoulders.

    He didn't keep them from losing 5 games either. 7 interceptions in a 4 game losing stretch? 36.4 Completion % in their other loss?

    His offense put up 63, 50 & 34 in 3 of their losses. Other 2 they put up 21 each.

    He wasn't perfect by any means, and his season had some warts, but he's a hell of a lot better than an "overhyped, serviceable quarterback."

    njohnson12 ●

  • Dancing Bear1 said...

    Oh you funny...

    RG3's Heisman year = 4293 pass yards, 37 pass TD, 6 INT, 72.4% comp rate, 699 rush yards, 10 rush TD

    Florence last season = 4309 pass yards, 33 pass TD, 13 INT, 61.6% comp rate, 568 rush yards. 10 rush TD

    I would say Florence was way more than "overhyped and servicable" he put up numbers that rivaled the previous years Heisman winner...

    Maybe when you said "overhyped and servicable" you meant this guy?

    David Ash 2012 = 2699 pass yards, 19 pass TD, 8 INT, 67.3% comp rate, 141 rush yards, 2 rush TD

    Florence was very good at the end of the year. No question.

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  • chupita said...

    He threw the ball around a lot, that's for sure... Texas fans would say that it all lands on the QB's shoulders.

    I thought Texas fans were being too mean to Mack and Manny? Now we're putting too much pressure on the QB?

    Please ignore chupita, visiting Bears.

    Chuckie Finster ●

  • chupita said...

    He threw the ball around a lot, that's for sure... Texas fans would say that it all lands on the QB's shoulders.

    He didn't keep them from losing 5 games either. 7 interceptions in a 4 game losing stretch? 36.4 Completion % in their other loss?

    Oh, he wasnt perfect by any means, but much better than sevicable. Much much better than that. If Baylor played defense early like they did late, those SOBs might have actually won the conference. Anyway, Floerence is gone and Ash does have a better on field resume than the BU QBs. We will see how that looks at the end of spring.

    There is nothing more dangerous in this world than a man with nothing to lose.

    bruthaman ●

  • Dancing Bear1 said...

    Oh you funny...

    RG3's Heisman year = 4293 pass yards, 37 pass TD, 6 INT, 72.4% comp rate, 699 rush yards, 10 rush TD

    Florence last season = 4309 pass yards, 33 pass TD, 13 INT, 61.6% comp rate, 568 rush yards. 10 rush TD

    I would say Florence was way more than "overhyped and servicable" he put up numbers that rivaled the previous years Heisman winner...

    Maybe when you said "overhyped and servicable" you meant this guy?

    David Ash 2012 = 2699 pass yards, 19 pass TD, 8 INT, 67.3% comp rate, 141 rush yards, 2 rush TD

    The last person that is overhyped is David Ash. I agree Florence was solid, even to the point of being really good. But 2 completely different offenses and your OL was better. Shit, how did we beat Baylor?

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  • If Ash is the best qb in the B12 next year Chupita, then he will have to improve
    a ton over last year. With this coaching staff......... good luck with that.coffee

    Turfman

  • Dancing Bear

    Why did Florence decide to not pursue the NFL? I thought he was definitely a guy you could take a chance on the last day.

    Anyway I would rank them

    OSU- a lot of young talent
    OU - when was the last time Stoops didn't have good QB play?
    TCU- Boykin got valuable experience. To me he's got some Michael Bishop in him. There a year away imo. Interested to see what happens with Pachal.
    BU- In Briles I Trust. Plus they should be able to bring the QB around slowly with those two horses in the backfield. Briles does a good job of getting his QBs a lot of easy throws.
    UT - I expect Ash to be much better. I'm excited about Major's wanting to move him around more. My main concern is lack of TE and OL .

    COACH CUTLIP ●

  • COACH CUTLIP said...

    Dancing Bear

    Why did Florence decide to not pursue the NFL? I thought he was definitely a guy you could take a chance on the last day.

    Said he wants to finish his masters degree and then just start focusing on his life after football. Also he said he was pretty sure he would be drafted and make a team, but just didn't know if he would ever start so him and his wife prayed on it and decided to hang up the cleats...

    If I was him I would still enter the draft and at the very least if you get on a roster and make league minimum it would give you a nice little nest egg to set aside after a few years to start your life.

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    Dancing Bear1 ●

  • Dancing Bear1 said...

    Oh you funny...

    RG3's Heisman year = 4293 pass yards, 37 pass TD, 6 INT, 72.4% comp rate, 699 rush yards, 10 rush TD

    Florence last season = 4309 pass yards, 33 pass TD, 13 INT, 61.6% comp rate, 568 rush yards. 10 rush TD

    I would say Florence was way more than "overhyped and servicable" he put up numbers that rivaled the previous years Heisman winner...

    Maybe when you said "overhyped and servicable" you meant this guy?

    David Ash 2012 = 2699 pass yards, 19 pass TD, 8 INT, 67.3% comp rate, 141 rush yards, 2 rush TD

    Stats are stats and they do tell a story... 7-5 regular season record also tells a story.

    RGlll won games in the double digits, while Florence was in a position to not even make a bowl game late.

    QB's need to win games... period. Especially 5th year senior QB's.

    David Ash was a true sophomore and was just below Florence in QB rating, and above him in wins. Ash isn't in the same type of offense as Florence. My point is, every QB in the Baylor system will put up yards / stats. Griffin won games... Florence limped into a bowl birth due to his lack of performance early.

    chupita

  • chupita said...

    Stats are stats and they do tell a story... 7-5 regular season record also tells a story.

    RGlll won games in the double digits, while Florence was in a position to not even make a bowl game late.

    QB's need to win games... period. Especially 5th year senior QB's.

    David Ash was a true sophomore and was just below Florence in QB rating, and above him in wins. Ash isn't in the same type of offense as Florence. My point is, every QB in the Baylor system will put up yards / stats. Griffin won games... Florence limped into a bowl birth due to his lack of performance early.

    You really are retarded, now I see why you get zero respect on this board...

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    Dancing Bear1 ●

  • JThomas said...

    I don't think Waters beats out Daniel Sams at QB, unless they move Sams to WR.

    Could be --- it will be a good spring battle to keep an eye on.

    As will the one in Waco, Lawrence, Norman, and Morganstown... QB does not have the veteran leadership returning this year that it had last year. A lot of seniors leading teams last year (OU, BU, WVU, TT, KState)... none this year.

    chupita

  • Dancing Bear1 said...

    You really are retarded, now I see why you get zero respect on this board...

    Translation? Everything I said is based on truth and you have no response, thus you resort to personal attacks.

    Thanks for the counter argument... you really sold me.

    chupita

  • Dancing Bear1 said...

    You really are retarded, now I see why you get zero respect on this board...

    Ask him if he's wearing his OU shirt today.

    COACH CUTLIP ●

  • bruthaman said...

    Oh, he wasnt perfect by any means, but much better than sevicable. Much much better than that. If Baylor played defense early like they did late, those SOBs might have actually won the conference. Anyway, Floerence is gone and Ash does have a better on field resume than the BU QBs. We will see how that looks at the end of spring.

    What you meant to say is "we will see how that looks at the end of the fall."

    chupita

  • Baylor lost RG3, a first round pick WR, their top OL and a 1500+ yard rb. Florence did a great job with what he had.

    shnsajax

  • chupita said...

    What you meant to say is "we will see how that looks at the end of the fall."

    No, spring. We will all get to hear and maybe see how each teams QB performs in spring practices.

    There is nothing more dangerous in this world than a man with nothing to lose.

    bruthaman ●

  • chupita said...

    Translation? Everything I said is based on truth and you have no response, thus you resort to personal attacks.

    Thanks for the counter argument... you really sold me.

    Here's a question, Chup...
    If Ash was Baylor's QB last season, does he put up the numbers that Florence did? The answer is "no". "Not in a million years" is also an acceptable answer.

    Now let's flip that coin...
    If Florence was Texas' QB last season, the Horns go 10-2 (at worst)... and likely 11-1 (given that he shredded K-State). That would have been good enough for co-champs in BigXII and likely a BCS bowl bid.

    NCHookem

  • bruthaman said...

    No, spring. We will all get to hear and maybe see how each teams QB performs in spring practices.

    I always like to "hear" who's good and who's not, as they compete against their own teams defense in spring practice.

    I "heard" that Trey Metoyer was the second coming of Chris Carter last year in the spring. I got to see what the reality was during the fall.

    chupita

  • shnsajax said...

    Baylor lost RG3, a first round pick WR, their top OL and a 1500+ yard rb. Florence did a great job with what he had.

    Yep, he had a lot of stats and made the Alamo Bowl. Also, he was a 5th year senior with a years worth of experience as a starter when Griffin went down early in his career.

    Not doubting that he had nice stats... I'm agreeing.

    chupita

  • NCHookem said...

    Here's a question, Chup... If Ash was Baylor's QB last season, does he put up the numbers that Florence did? The answer is "no". "Not in a million years" is also an acceptable answer.

    Now let's flip that coin... If Florence was Texas' QB last season, the Horns go 10-2 (at worst)... and likely 11-1 (given that he shredded K-State). That would have been good enough for co-champs in BigXII and likely a BCS bowl bid.

    Here's a question for you NCHookem... "if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump his ass when it hops"... You have no idea what Ash would or wouldn't do in another offense. We are talking about a guy that threw for 3,500 yards, 41 TD's and 300+ rushing yards and 7 TD's on the ground in 5A high school.

    The bottom line is --- you have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what either would do in each others situations. Absolutely NONE.

    That said, you are entitled to your opinion and it is noted. I am of the opinion that Florence was a significant reason that Baylor lost five games early in the season, and I have provided actual FACTS to support that assertion.

    chupita

  • chupita said...

    That said, you are entitled to your opinion and it is noted. I am of the opinion that Florence was a significant reason that Baylor lost five games early in the season, and I have provided actual FACTS to support that assertion.

    You can cling to your "facts" that Florence was the main reason Baylor lost 5 games last year. However, it is my opinion that Baylor lost those 5 games because it had one of the worst defenses in college football history (oh, and that's a fact).

    As for Ash's high school stats... Garrett Gilbert called to remind you his high school stats were better.

    PS - How in the hell does a sane person put any of the blame for the West Virginia loss on Florence? 587 yds, 5 TDs, 1 int. Yep, must have been his fault. The defense that gave up 70 had nothing to do with it.

    This post was edited by NCHookem on 2/15/2013 at 2:47 PM

    NCHookem

  • NCHookem said...

    You can cling to your "facts" that Florence was the main reason Baylor lost 5 games last year. However, it is my opinion that Baylor lost those 5 games because it had one of the worst defenses in college football history (oh, and that's a fact).

    As for Ash's high school stats... Garrett Gilbert called to remind you his high school stats were better.

    Well, 7 NTERCEPTIONS over a 4 game losing streak? 36% completion percentage in the other loss? He may not have been the "main" reason, but he certainly didn't help.

    Ash went 9-3 as QB and had a defense that was just as bad if you want to compare stuff. Are you saying that Texas had a "better" defense than Baylor?

    The only comparisom to Ash's high school stats and Florence's college stats are to compare similar offenses. Let's take a look at Ash's stats last year and where they compared to Florence when he was Ash's age. Didn't Florence throw 6 TD's and 9 Interceptions at Baylor when he was Ash's age?

    This post was edited by chupita on 2/15/2013 at 3:15 PM

    chupita

  • chupita said...

    I always like to "hear" who's good and who's not, as they compete against their own teams defense in spring practice.

    I "heard" that Trey Metoyer was the second coming of Chris Carter last year in the spring. I got to see what the reality was during the fall.

    What Metoyer have to do with this? I thought we were talking QBs. Metoyer will have his say soon enough. He has time to grow.

    There is nothing more dangerous in this world than a man with nothing to lose.

    bruthaman ●

  • chupita said...

    Well, 7 TD's over a 4 game losing streak? 36% completion percentage in the other loss? He may not have been the "main" reason, but he certainly didn't help.

    Ash went 9-3 as QB and had a defense that was just as bad if you want to compare stuff. Are you saying that Texas had a "better" defense than Baylor?

    The only comparisom to Ash's high school stats and Florence's college stats are to compare similar offenses. Let's take a look at Ash's stats last year and where they compared to Florence when he was Ash's age. Didn't Florence throw 6 TD's and 9 Interceptions at Baylor when he was Ash's age?

    Ash would have been on the bench last year at BU, OU, OSU, Kst, TT, TCU and KU.

    This post was edited by bruthaman on 2/15/2013 at 2:56 PM

    There is nothing more dangerous in this world than a man with nothing to lose.

    bruthaman ●

  • bruthaman said...

    What Metoyer have to do with this? I thought we were talking QBs. Metoyer will have his say soon enough. He has time to grow.

    Spring football... you said that it will "tell us some things" when it is over. I disagree, it tells us who can play well against their own teammates. The fall is when we get to see who is for real.

    Trey Metoyer was an example that you could relate to in a situation where we really didn't learn all that much about him during the spring. We "heard" that he was great, but, in the fall that rumor didn't translate last year.

    chupita

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