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Augie changing his small-ball style?

  • I don't think anyone said you didn't need pitching......

    His title teams hit 50+ homers.

    Beast 512

  • One game does not constitute a trend.

    maninblack1

  • Beast 512 said...

    I don't think anyone said you didn't need pitching......

    His title teams hit 50+ homers.

    As much as i hate the small ball the bats were drastically different back than.

    maninblack1

  • browncounty said...

    "Texas gets who they want"? What time machine did you just get off of? The Gustafson special? TCU and A&M just cracked up laughing.

    Swinging away is producing more outs as well today. And not advancing the runner. So take your pick. Swinging away had better odds before the bat change.

    Are you just making this up as you go? The bats are still hotter than the wood bats the MLB uses where it has been mathematically proven that sacrificing, bunting, and stealing are counterproductive to scoring runs.

    The same thing applies with the new bats used in the college game which are still 5% hotter than wood.

    NickSaban

  • JKates said...

    No, it's all about scoring before you're out of outs. Runs and outs. Outs and runs. Advancing runners while intentionally giving up an out is rarely the right move.

    I do think it is situational. If you have a runner on 2nd with no outs, I think you should almost always move the runner over.
    Obviously, there are exceptions. If you have Paul Molitor up next you let him swing it. jmo
    ________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Why? It still takes a base hit to score the runner and most base hits score the runner from second just as easily as third.

    This post was edited by NickSaban on 3/6/2013 at 10:43 PM

    NickSaban

  • That doesn't really matter. The point is we had guys that could drive the baseball with some consistency. We have slap hitters that rarely square up the baseball.

    Beast 512

  • austinr said...

    2 of the most powerful teams in the "Augie-Ball" Era at Texas was 2007 and 2008............total failure in the post season because they couldn't manufacture runs. I know 512 you are still upset about the death of Hugo Chavez but do some more "research"!

    Too small a sample size. Look playing money ball guarantees nothing. But the numbers say small ball is less effective than money ball. In any given game or season that might not always be true. Its just like blackjack. You might get a 4 on 17 once in a while but the smart players stand.

    NickSaban

  • Texas in 2007 had two guys with power, and they were a failure because their pitching staff was not great. I was at that regional and scoring runs wasn't a problem, stopping Stanford and NC State from destroying the staff was a problem.

    Same with 2008 and a staff era of 4.48, though that team did have 3 fish pitchers that would lead the the way to 2009-2011 which including 2 WS trips and a tough regional loss to a loaded TCU team.

    Once again austinr's research is abysmal.

    NLeininger

  • NickSaban said...

    Too small a sample size. Look playing money ball guarantees nothing. But the numbers say small ball is less effective than money ball. In any given game or season that might not always be true. Its just like blackjack. You might get a 4 on 17 once in a while but the smart players stand.

    Moneyball and small ball are similar.................starting with OBP being the most important stat in baseball. The big difference is in moneyball there is little stealing. Small ball less effective?.............except Gus and Augie have won 7 CWS Championship playing it.

    What most people miss with small is when you face the best pitching you have to manufacture runs. Teams that can execute small ball can when needed play for the big inning. Augie's best teams were able to do that in Omaha where the wind blows out and a smaller OF. The reverse is not true...................a team that is a free-swinging team or a team that plays for the big inning can't manufacture runs..........ie the 2007 and 2008 teams.

    "Leadership is wisdom, courage and great carelessness of self"

    austinr

  • austinr said...

    Moneyball and small ball are similar.................starting with OBP being the most important stat in baseball. The big difference is in moneyball there is little stealing. Small ball less effective?.............except Gus and Augie have won 7 CWS Championship playing it.

    What most people miss with small is when you face the best pitching you have to manufacture runs. Teams that can execute small ball can when needed play for the big inning. Augie's best teams were able to do that in Omaha where the wind blows out and a smaller OF. The reverse is not true...................a team that is a free-swinging team or a team that plays for the big inning can't manufacture runs..........ie the 2007 and 2008 teams.

    OPS is the most important stat in Money Ball not OBS.

    NickSaban

  • NickSaban said...

    OPS is the most important stat in Money Ball not OBS.

    Correct. And WINS is the most important stat of them all, driven by RUNS, driven by OPS and others.

    Signatures are stupid. You should block them.

    JKates

  • NickSaban said...

    OPS is the most important stat in Money Ball not OBS.

    Disagree...........why do you think Augie's players take the first pitch a large percentage of the time? Its called take a strike.................I assume you meant OBP not OBS. Remember the movie.............why do we want them? "they get on base"

    This post was edited by austinr on 3/7/2013 at 2:09 PM

    "Leadership is wisdom, courage and great carelessness of self"

    austinr

  • austinr said...

    Disagree...........why do you think Augie's players take the first pitch a large percentage of the time? Its called take a strike.................

    Do you know what OPS is?

    Also, Moneyball and Small ball are nothing alike.

    This post was edited by NLeininger on 3/7/2013 at 2:08 PM

    NLeininger

  • NLeininger said...

    Also, Moneyball and Small ball are nothing alike.

    Also correct. Moneyball is primarily a financial driven strategy to find value in players that the market hasn't yet recognized. It's a strategy to buy more wins with less money, in which sabermetrics and analytics play a large role. Those metrics spit on small ball. A lot.

    OPS contains OBP, so it is incorrect to disagree with NIckSaban there.

    This post was edited by JKates on 3/7/2013 at 2:17 PM

    Signatures are stupid. You should block them.

    JKates

  • austinr said...

    Moneyball and small ball are similar.................starting with OBP being the most important stat in baseball.

    Stop embarrassing yourself already.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-sacrifice-bunt-the-real-rally-killer/

    The only thing that needs to be executed is the sacrifice bunt from the playbook of Major League managers. It is not always the wrong move, but it is used far too often and in too many situations where swinging away is more likely to produce a positive result. At the front office level, every organization in the game is getting smarter. In some cities, the on-field personnel are utilizing facts and logic to better inform their tactical decisions. But, by and large, most Major League managers are still like Mattingly and Wedge, and they’re going to bunt regardless of whether or not it actually helps their team’s chances of winning.

    We don’t live in 1953 anymore. We have access to more and better information than ever before. Teams are spending large amounts of resources to make better decisions to get improvements on the margins that may end up winning them one or two games over the course of the season. And yet, at the end of the day, most of these teams are still entrusting their in-game strategy to people who simply don’t understand the basic probabilities of the sport.

    But what does Dave Cameron know? If he knew baseball he would be corching for a living.

    This post was edited by Hoop98 on 3/7/2013 at 2:48 PM

    Hoop98

  • Hoop98 said...

    Stop embarrassing yourself already.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-sacrifice-bunt-the-real-rally-killer/

    The only thing that needs to be executed is the sacrifice bunt from the playbook of Major League managers. It is not always the wrong move, but it is used far too often and in too many situations where swinging away is more likely to produce a positive result. At the front office level, every organization in the game is getting smarter. In some cities, the on-field personnel are utilizing facts and logic to better inform their tactical decisions. But, by and large, most Major League managers are still like Mattingly and Wedge, and they’re going to bunt regardless of whether or not it actually helps their team’s chances of winning.

    We don’t live in 1953 anymore. We have access to more and better information than ever before. Teams are spending large amounts of resources to make better decisions to get improvements on the margins that may end up winning them one or two games over the course of the season. And yet, at the end of the day, most of these teams are still entrusting their in-game strategy to people who simply don’t understand the basic probabilities of the sport.

    But what does Dave Cameron know? If he knew baseball he would be corching for a living.

    I think it is you who are embarrassing yourself....................repeating what NL and JK says makes you look foolish. Try having an original thought before clearing your "posts' with the "initial boys" .............try having an original thought/post.......

    The key stat in this debate is Augie and Gus 7 CWS Championships and the T-Ball boys participation trophies.

    This post was edited by austinr on 3/7/2013 at 3:02 PM

    "Leadership is wisdom, courage and great carelessness of self"

    austinr

  • austinr said...

    I think it is you who are embarrassing yourself....................repeating what NL and JK says makes you look foolish. Try having an original thought before clearing your "posts' with the "initial boys" .............try having an original thought/post.......

    The key stat in this debate is Augie and Gus 7 CWS Championships and the T-Ball boys participation trophies.

    Dodging the argument to name call and bring up tangent points is embarrassing. Not to mention your autistic use of ellipses.

    ihateolives

  • Great article that austinr should read to understand the big boy talk going on here.

    A primer for the most popular sabermetric stats

    http://network.yardbarker.com/mlb/article_external/understanding_sabermetrics_in_baseball_what_it_all_means/13067749?refmod=yardbar_standard&refpos=art_5

    network.yardbarker.com

    NLeininger

  • NLeininger said...

    Great article that austinr should read to understand the big boy talk going on here.

    End of discussion I guess. Who can argue with sabermetrics in baseball.
    I will listen the day that Billy Beane and his sibermetrics win a championship on any level.
    Btw, the A's were under .500 for 5 straight seasons before they got back into the playoffs in 2012.

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