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Applewhite Incident Made Public -- all statements included

  • He kissed a coed... So what?

    Chicoman

  • Newy25 said...

    Why do you think the BOR are holding an emergency meeting? Because they think there is nothing to this?

    With everything going on they need to address the issues so sure there is something to it in that sense.

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    JeezGuy

  • Who cares? I mean, really. Does anyone here care?

    Non-story IMO.

    Black Shipley

  • Black Shipley said...

    Who cares? I mean, really. Does anyone here care?

    Non-story IMO.

    University of Oregon, Ohio State University are 2 that I can think of at the moment. Add TCU, Baylor and Alabama.

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    JeezGuy

  • So this wasn't a dream

    maninblack1

  • ExpatriaTex said...

    The best among us have feet of clay. It's too bad somebody decided the laundry had to be aired this long after the fact. I appreciate the media giving us the news we need, but I'm not sure anybody needed this, and I don't consider it news. I consider it in poor taste, and I've spent a career in the media. Sometimes the media just screws the pooch. Major's already paid his due penance and some snoopdog digging around for it is like digging up a grave -- a grotesque curiosity.

    Just about sums it up.....could not agree more. Most of the press are BOTTOM FEEDERS anyway. I just wish this would have stayed private for Bev and Major sake. UT could of just dealt with it and keep it out of the papers and shown respect to the other folks involved in these relationships.blackeye

    Papa C

  • Lawhorn said...
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    If University employees having relations with adult University students not under their supervision is a hanging offense, every department and administrative office on campus is going to be awfully empty.
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    If true, this is the saddest statement I've heard on all this so far...

    I wonder how many parents know it is basically "open season" for professors and staff at UT with students there as long as there is no direct supervision or line of authority for grades etc...

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by jjloehr on 2/2/2013 at 9:20 AM

    jjloehr

  • hornsrus said...

    This is pure and simple CRAP! A version of sabotage during national signing period. UT is really pissing schools off with their aggressive recruiting. 4 years ago? C'mon.

    The release of this information has nothing to do with other schools... unless Bev Kearney has been hired by another school. I'm assuming that this wasn't a well-known event in our athletic department and Kearney's attorney came across this information during the course of his investigation into the matter. Not entirely familiar with the exceptions to the Open Records Act, but given that Major's problems didn't give rise to litigation, I think any one of us might have been able to get that information had we asked.

    bbliss

  • They need to nuke this athletic department from orbit.

    This post was edited by basedgod on 2/2/2013 at 9:22 AM

    basedgod

  • basedgod said...

    They need to nuke this athletic department from orbit.

    The problem is that cockroaches can survive a nuclear attack.

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  • Black Shipley said...

    Who cares? I mean, really. Does anyone here care?

    Non-story IMO.

    Wish I could agree with you but I can't.

    Posted by a lawyer:
    - You can dig up all the regulations and org charts you want, a good lawyer can show that the student trainer-coach relationship is very similar to coach-athlete or supervisor-employee. She may not have reported to him directly but she was his subordinate; if an asst coach gives an order to a student trainer they will comply or at least feel like they need to

    - The fact that his "punishment" was keeping the same salary for a few months is going to enrage a lot of women. Combine with Kearney and UT is plainly busted as a good-ol-boys network that sweeps the man's indiscretion under the carpet (no pun) while the woman is publicly shunned

    maninblack1

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  • maninblack1 said...

    Wish I could agree with you but I can't.

    Posted by a lawyer: - You can dig up all the regulations and org charts you want, a good lawyer can show that the student trainer-coach relationship is very similar to coach-athlete or supervisor-employee. She may not have reported to him directly but she was his subordinate; if an asst coach gives an order to a student trainer they will comply or at least feel like they need to

    - The fact that his "punishment" was keeping the same salary for a few months is going to enrage a lot of women. Combine with Kearney and UT is plainly busted as a good-ol-boys network that sweeps the man's indiscretion under the carpet (no pun) while the woman is publicly shunned

    its an argument but a weak one to me and wouldn't convince me of anything. They'd need more.

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  • maninblack1 said...

    Wish I could agree with you but I can't.

    Posted by a lawyer:
    - You can dig up all the regulations and org charts you want, a good lawyer can show that the student trainer-coach relationship is very similar to coach-athlete or supervisor-employee. She may not have reported to him directly but she was his subordinate; if an asst coach gives an order to a student trainer they will comply or at least feel like they need to

    - The fact that his "punishment" was keeping the same salary for a few months is going to enrage a lot of women. Combine with Kearney and UT is plainly busted as a good-ol-boys network that sweeps the man's indiscretion under the carpet (no pun) while the woman is publicly shunned

    Then combine this with Mack not firing Cleve Bryant for sexual misconduct and that several assistant coaches were at the bar with Case and Hicks in San Antonio and it is going to be easy to prove a double standard exists in the program.

    This is on Dodds for sure because the Univeristy is about to pay some people a lot of money.

    Newy25

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    Danno2

  • maninblack1 said...

    Wish I could agree with you but I can't.

    Posted by a lawyer: - You can dig up all the regulations and org charts you want, a good lawyer can show that the student trainer-coach relationship is very similar to coach-athlete or supervisor-employee. She may not have reported to him directly but she was his subordinate; if an asst coach gives an order to a student trainer they will comply or at least feel like they need to

    - The fact that his "punishment" was keeping the same salary for a few months is going to enrage a lot of women. Combine with Kearney and UT is plainly busted as a good-ol-boys network that sweeps the man's indiscretion under the carpet (no pun) while the woman is publicly shunned

    It has been unclear to me whether the "student was from UT or elsewhere. OB posters reported it was an Arizona student.

    Has anyone seen confirmation of the school from whence the student hailed?

    jjloehr

  • JeezGuy said...

    its an argument but a weak one to me and wouldn't convince me of anything. They'd need more.

    You are a biased Texas fan who wants to believe this is not true. You ae not the one they are trying to convince.

    Newy25

  • JeezGuy said...

    its an argument but a weak one to me and wouldn't convince me of anything. They'd need more.

    There's some people associated with the University that disagree with you. Pucker factor is high.

    maninblack1

  • maninblack1 said...

    Wish I could agree with you but I can't.

    Posted by a lawyer: - You can dig up all the regulations and org charts you want, a good lawyer can show that the student trainer-coach relationship is very similar to coach-athlete or supervisor-employee. She may not have reported to him directly but she was his subordinate; if an asst coach gives an order to a student trainer they will comply or at least feel like they need to

    - The fact that his "punishment" was keeping the same salary for a few months is going to enrage a lot of women. Combine with Kearney and UT is plainly busted as a good-ol-boys network that sweeps the man's indiscretion under the carpet (no pun) while the woman is publicly shunned

    The question is whether the coach can take any adverse actions towards a student trainer (i.e., firing or other discipline) were she not to follow an order. A coach-athlete or supervisor-employee relationship does contain that possibility. Not sure that a coach-student trainer relationship has that quality, which would be a pretty significant distinguishing factor. That, in addition to other distinguishing factors, such as a one-time incident versus two-year ongoing relationship as well as one coach coming clean immediately while the other kept it under wraps until the athlete came forward 8 years later.

    Don't get me wrong. I get that this issue is going to be spun as mysogynistic, homophobic, and probably racist as possible (because that's what a good attorney would do), and it will likely result in Kearney getting a bigger payoff, but this situation is much less damning than the Cleve Bryant fiasco. At least with respect to Applewhite. Whether Dodds gets caught with this by witholding the info for four years, I can't say.

    bbliss

  • Newy25 said...

    Then combine this with Mack not firing Cleve Bryant for sexual misconduct and that several assistant coaches were at the bar with Case and Hicks in San Antonio and it is going to be easy to prove a double standard exists in the program.

    This is on Dodds for sure because the Univeristy is about to pay some people a lot of money.

    Bryant was terminated because of his misconduct, just not immediately because of the investigation that had to occur. Because of internal operating procedures and other regulatory processes, rarely is anyone employed by the government fired immediately. They are typically placed on administrative leave until the investigation is complete.

    Never heard anything about coaches being present in the bar with Case and Hicks (not that that has anything to do with what allegedly happened in a hotel room). What's the source of that info? Not trying to be snarky. Just askin'.

    This post was edited by Danno2 on 2/2/2013 at 9:42 AM

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    Capseyes

  • Newy25 said...

    You are a biased Texas fan who wants to believe this is not true. You ae not the one they are trying to convince.

    No I am not.

    I would still come back to an employee knowingly violating a morality clause (which she admitted) by carrying on a relationship with one of her direct athletes, covering it up and resigning as a result. Its ground for dismissal for cause

    Comparing it to a creepy old guy who hit on a girl and subsequently lost his job or an asst coach having a 1 night stand with some student who may or may not even be a Texas student, self reporting it and being disciplined for it wouldn't convince me of anything you are trying to suggest.

    now if you can show me where other coaches were knowingly having relationships with their student athletes, hiding those relationships from their superiors and lying about it for a period of time then you have my attention. Otherwise you are wasting my time.

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  • Danno2 said...

    Bryant was terminated because of his misconduct, just not immediately because of the investigation that had to occur. Because of internal operating procedures and other regulatory processes, rarely is anyone employed by the government fired immediately. They are typically placed on administrative leave until the investigation is complete.

    Never heard anything about coaches being present in the bar with Case and Hicks (not that that has anything to do with what allegedly happened in a hotel room). What's the source of that info?

    The University of Texas really, really, really does not want to go through the discovery process.

    maninblack1

  • Just my 2 cents without knowing all the facts but Dodds is looking at a early retirement. The key here is that after firing Bryant and paying off the girl Bryant was then set up with a high paying job with a BMD. I believe that Bev expected the same treatment. To be set up with a job with a Texas BMD. The Applewhite situation is just more gas for the fire. They should have paid Bev off with a settlement or set her up with a job with a BMD. Now we are looking at a national embarrassment for Texas right before signing day.

    Hookem89