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From 2004-2009 there was exactly 5 PPV games in football.
Living out of state I had access to all 5 of those games of I chose to pay for them (which I did).
In addition all of the ABC games were available on ESPN Gameplan if one chose to pay for it ($99 per year which I did).
Living out of state I had access to every single football game beginning in 2004 (probably even longer than that just began with the UT run in 2004).

Since the LHN formed there has been 5 games (and potentially 3 more in 2013) that I have no access to other than a stream on a computer that I am technically not supposed to have access to.

Three of the 6 seasons from 2004-2010 had no PPV game and wrere on a tier 1 or 2 option.

- Shredded our conference - Aggie propoganda that is simply untrue. 2 schools left prior to the LHN and the other 2 were looking prior to it as well

- lowered our schedule quality - How? Schedule were set years in advance. Any change to the schedule would have been due to changing conferences across the country

- undermined our recruiting - Any examples that this is true? I've heard that recruits love going to the LHN set

- increased exposure of our rivals (in lieu of our own) - also conjecture that I'm sure is more impression than reality. Are you trying to tell me that there is more A&M and OU stuff on TV now because of the LHN? There is no more OU stuff and any more A&M stuff is probably more related to the SEC and Heisman winner than the LHN.

So, other than blacked out our games to a lot fans (not all, mind you), which nobody disputes, how is a ton of money for the school (including academics) a bad thing? Is it perfect, no. But it is better than anything any other school has. I will get to watch half of the baseball games this year with ESPN quality production. I get a dedicated nightly show to Longhorn Athletics. I get all access shows to all the teams. I get coach's shows. No other school can offer recruits the things the LHN can. The scapegoating of the LHN for the problems right now with Longhorn Athletics is ridiculous and not based in facts.

As I said in another post, there are growing pains with a new network. Ask half the city of Houston if they have seen a Rockets game this year. I know I haven't, but it doesn't mean it's CSN's fault that they lost to the Kings last night,

Sorry it has been a long hard day.

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bunting all the time

JFrank, I posted this a couple of times on other threads but R.C. told me a couple of times a few years ago (he won't mind my repeating) that A&M felt it couldn't effectively compete in the face of the LHN when it came to recruiting in Texas. It wasn't really about the money. Ironic what's happened so far. Personally I suspect it will work out at some point when ESPN is capable of forcing more major distributors to pony up.

This is a football oriented website but I enjoy many of the other sports; baseball, softball, golf, track and the like come to mind. The LHN is perfect for broadening (no pun intended) the fan base. Women's sports in particular are quietly becoming more popular and they will continue to do so. Were it not for Dads with daughters it'd be a slower slog.

We're not yet Coca Cola but the sheer brand value remains tremendous. Can it remain so without consistent success, who knows?

BTW isn't anyone thrilled by the number of world class athletes in our general area? Michael Johnson, Jeremy Wariner, Britney Griner, Leo Manzano, et al? My kids met Leo at a cross country meet and it was a pleasure to meet someone so gifted and modest. We actually have become a region of Olympians. Actually I thoroughly enjoyed watching A&M and Baylor winning the women's basketball championships. Perhaps color me a regionalist.

Amazed at how many Longhorns implicitly engage in the following conversation:

AGGIE: We left because of the LHN.

HORN: No you didn't.

The LHN was originally designed to address 3rd tier sports. Bobby is probably correct in saying that moving football to the LHN is self defeating since it's 1st tier. I really can't adequately address that.

What I can address is the "recent" history I've lived. As a child, blacks weren't called African Americans or Blacks; they were called colored people (there was a tendency to confuse the term Negro with other similarly sounding and pejorative terms). Public facilities for colored people included drinking fountains, bathrooms and schools. I'm uncertain where they ate, it just wasn't with us. Earl Campbell was a confusing figure to most of us. Similarly, women were relegated to three jobs in the marketplace; teaching, secretarial or nursing. Girls played no sports, they only could be cheerleaders or participate in the band.

Most of you have no idea how far we've come in a scant few decades. It's my prediction that when many of you are as old as I am you'll be telling your grandkids how different their world is than the one you knew. By that time we may have female athletes whose popularity rivals that of males. Don't laugh; I've personally experienced things I'd never have dreamed. When I was young there were no female entertainers to speak of, perhaps the Ronnettes, Supremes, Chiffons and the like...all girl bands. Nowadays individual women are dominating entertainment just like individual males did in the past.

The LHN ultimately may come to be something we all have trouble currently imagining, the true birth of 3rd tier sports, mostly women's sports. Hey guys, you're mostly young and as Bob Dylan once said "The answer's blowing in the wind." It has been quite windy lately. Go girls!

Are you incapable of understanding how a timeline works? Aggy decided to leave because of their pathetic inferiority complex that has existed for the past 100 years. They were talking to the SEC when Texas was trying to get them into the Pac 10. When that fell through, you know, a FULL YEAR before LHN, they continued to secretly talk to the SEC. When they decided a year later they wanted to go the SEC, LHN was a convenient scapegoat for a decision they had made a year earlier. They lied because that's what they do and maybe someone would be gullible enough to believe them.

As for the remaining schools that left, Mizzou tried desperately to get into the Big 10 because they wanted to be in the Big 10, no other reason. Nebraska left to beat Mizzou to the punch, and it worked. Colorado always belonged in the Pac, but they had no choice but to bolt when Texas made overtures to the Pac because they didn't want Baylor to get the last spot. Then Mizzou, who started it all by running their mouth, left and no one gave a crap. Ironically Colorado is the only one that could legitimately claim Texas forced their hand. Any claim that Texas did anything to wrong them by Aggy, Nebraska, or Mizzou is just a bunch of self-serving crap that no Texas fan that bothers to actually understand things would believe.

Do you seriously believe that? I'm honestly asking.

1) you're not honestly asking

2) any aggy will tell you LHN is the best thing that ever happened to them. You don't need me to connect the rest of the dots.

3) I understand all the sweet little timelines and the twists and turns and all the transitions and dramatic progressions of the Big 12 soap opera. I lived thru it. Not to mention a couple decades of SWC, whippersnappers.

4) LHN broke the camel's back. This is not a great mystery. It's almost like the truth must be rewritten because its politically incorrect or something. That happens a lot, you know. But it's not necessary in this case. LHN finished it off. Just ask Gene Stallings or Jackie Sherill or Bowtie or the TexAgs community or the Aggie of your choice.

I was honestly asking. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that you were being a jerk who was arguing for the sake of arguing instead of someone incapable of thinking. But since you have now outed yourself by suggesting we take Jackie Sherrill's word, I can now stop trying to reason with you.

For the benefit of anyone reading that actually is trying to form an opinion, aggy decided to go to the SEC when Texas was flirting with the Pac 10. That was a year before LHN. It is therefore an impossibility of the space-time continuum that the LHN had anything to do with their decision. LHN was just a convenient scapegoat when they decided to publicly announce their plan a year later. Don't ever let any aggy like browncountry tell you otherwise.

You still don't understand the difference between "straw that broke the camel's back" and "convenient excuse to back out of your contractual obligation for which you had to accept $20,000,000 because your athletic department is broke."

And they "put up and shut up" when they were able to, they could not go to the SEC in the first round of realignment, but left when they could.

The aggie narrative is that it was the LHN because they wanted to make Texas look bad on the way out, and make it appear that Texas broke up the rivalry because they are insecure petty people.

You say to ask Gene Stallings or Jackie Sherill or Bowtie but they are the very one's pushing the narrative. Just because they say it, doesn't make it so. They wanted to go to the SEC in the first round of realignment (undisputed), they didn't get to, they kept open communication (undisputed) and left when they had a convenient excuse and the opportunity to go. To paint it any other way is to ignore all the facts.

Because they wanted it to be Texas' fault that a 100+ year rivalry broke up. But more importantly, they signed a deal and took $20,000,000 while secretly negotiating a deal with another conference (they haven't disputed this fact), they needed any excuse they could muster to break the contract. So they came up with "Conner Brewer's games might be on TV and another big 12 school might have a game on LHN, we didn't know about that." It's not really a funny angle as much as one based 100% in reality.