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  • Not sure what you even mean by "let them go". Not many would even consider having them back and are darn happy they left. Sure doesn't mean we can't talk about them, they are in our backyard basically and recruiting the same guys we are by and large. Why not talk about them? Besides, they are funny.

    dentonhorn

  • Guy, guys the real enemy here is OU.
    I think we can all agree that...

    OU SUCKS!

    This post was edited by btown1110 on 7/5/2012 at 11:40 AM

    btown1110

  • NYHorn said...

    You just said, teams aren't always at the top so other teams step up. And then you said "who can we count on year in and year out except for OU and Texas".

    That's totally hypocritical.

    And besides this year OSU was the 1st team out of the Championship, KSU was high up there and OU was. Next year, OU, WVU, UT, TCU, and KSU all have a chance to be up there.

    Maybe the way I said it didn't make sense. I was trying to say that typically if Texas and/or OU are down then there isn't a team that has been able to fill those shoes and keep the conference relevant in the national title picture. I know what happened last year and believe me, I'm praying OSU can keep trending upward, I hope Baylor can become a program and not just a RG3 anomaly, I want Tech to get back to where Leach had them, I want WVU and TCU to come in and be successful I just want this to be a conference of more than Texas and OU in the national eye. Last year was good, but it needs to continue. There is a lot of potential here, but we all know the saying. Potential means you haven't done it yet. The SEC has and that is all I was saying.

    maceoa9903

  • TXStampede said...

    Your overreach on this is mesmerizing. Good on ya', big boy.

    Thank you

    maceoa9903

  • Ag is obnoxious when they are 6-6. Can you imagine the chest beating if they were 8-4 or 9-3? I like option 3. Disappear.

    churchill ●

  • PHLHorn said...

    I can turn it around and ask the same question about the Sec. In a typical year, Alabama, LSU, and Florida will be contenders and so will Texas and ou.

    Every so often the next tier will field a contending team. Auburn, Georgia, or Arkansas, vs Oklahoma state, KSU or Tech. Not a whole lot of difference.

    I also don't get the schedule jealousy. When you're one of the alpha dogs in the conference it's easy to make an apples and oranges comparison. Aggie is a middle tier program so when their schedule includes the conference big boys of course it's going to look better. Even though the recent performance has not been indicative Texas is one of the conference biggies. A better comparison would be comparing Baylor or Techs schedule to the aggies.

    I get where you're coming from and you may be putting my point better than I am. Outside of last year with OSU, 08 Tech and KSU when the conference was in its infancy the 2nd tier teams in the Big 12 have been no threat for anything national. The 2nd teir of the SEC produces a team that is in the national title hunt more consistently that any other leauge. They have 6 teams capable of winning a national title year in and year out. They are never all great at the same time, but there is always a group of at least 2 title contenders in the SEC. Based on the history we have before us, who from the 2nd group in the Big 12 could have carried the leauge were TX and OU down?

    maceoa9903

  • maceoa9903 said...

    1) Not playing A&M if they have success in the SEC would be a huge mistake. Like it or not, the SEC is in our backyard now. We can't ignore it. This is not about sentimental feelings towards A&M. It's about protecting Texas' position.

    2) I don't care about the criticism. I'm a contrarian on many issues much larger or important than this. Part of the price you pay for marching to the beat of your own drum. I'm a big boy and strong enough to stick to my convictions. I'll be ok, but thanks anyway.

    congratulations on being comfortable with your rebel status.....clearly, you're a thought leader of the greatest magnitude

    bravehorn

  • maceoa9903 said...

    And again, I think the WAY Aggy left was bush leauge, disingenuous, and wreaked of cowardice, but it is what it is and in the long run I want the STATE of TEXAS to be represented well in all things, but especially on the football field.

    You come across as one of those "light" fans that wants everyone to be successful for a bigger goal, even though I'm not sure what that goal is. Like many other on this board I see that if Aggy were to be just a slight bit successful they will hold it over our heads forever! I am the type of fan that will never root for my biggest rival! I am a spurs fan, thus I was rooting hard for the Heat to beat the Mavs last year, I am a Rangers fan, thus I would never root for the Angels in a World Series and I would never root for Aggy to win a National Championship. I always get criticized for it, but you have to know that your biggest rival will accept your praises but will always turn their success against you at any time because they can. Aggy's decision cam about because they were jealous of our success on and off the field and thus ran away from the situation like a child to what they think are greener pastures. I for one hope they realize that they walked into worse situation and realize the mistake they have made. Any success of theirs in the SEC will only give them an inflated ego of what they think they already are...

    ValleyHorn

  • churchill said...

    Ag is obnoxious when they are 6-6. Can you imagine the chest beating if they were 8-4 or 9-3? I like option 3. Disappear.

    Imagine how good it would feel if they were 10-2 in the SEC and we beat that ass when we play them. I'll compare it to the 05 and 08 OU games. 05 was beautiful. It was a release of 5 years of frustration and humiliation at their hands and was a stepping stone to a MNC but at the end of the year it was only an 8-5 team. 08 will always be the sweetest victory because it was a battle and Texas prevailed over a #1 ranked OU team. Beating a 5-6 Big 12 Aggy team had become more of a chore than a rivalry. Win and you were supposed to (never more evidenced than 08 when beating them by 40 and calling the dogs off wasn't enough to impress voters) and lose and you have to listen to them for a year brag about beating you, but they had a 6-6 year.

    This post was edited by maceoa9903 on 7/6/2012 at 6:39 AM

    maceoa9903

  • maceoa9903 said...

    I get where you're coming from and you may be putting my point better than I am. Outside of last year with OSU, 08 Tech and KSU when the conference was in its infancy the 2nd tier teams in the Big 12 have been no threat for anything national. The 2nd teir of the SEC produces a team that is in the national title hunt more consistently that any other leauge. They have 6 teams capable of winning a national title year in and year out. They are never all great at the same time, but there is always a group of at least 2 title contenders in the SEC. Based on the history we have before us, who from the 2nd group in the Big 12 could have carried the leauge were TX and OU down?

    It depends. If you're not going to count Nebraska in the late 90s/early 00s because they're no longer in the league, then I would say TCU and WVU have both been very close to playing for national championships in recent years. The Big 12 has more often than not had a third or even fourth team enter into the equation as a possible contender, whether it was Missouri/Kansas in '07, Tech in '08, Colorado in '01, OSU in '11, or Nebraska 10-15 years ago.

    I'd be curious to know what 6 teams you believe are actually viable contenders for the MNC this year out of the SEC. LSU, Alabama, and Georgia are about it. You might make an argument for South Carolina, but it'll be USC or UGA rather than both. Vandy, Kentucky, Florida, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Missouri, A&M, MSU, Arkansas, and Auburn have veritably no shot with Arkansas being the only other team you could possibly mention in the discussion. But if you're going to be that lenient, I'd argue there are 4-5 teams in the Big 12 that have a chance this season.

    And I agree with your original premise that they did what was best for them, I don't begrudge them getting into a conference, and we should leave them alone. But I'm not jealous that they switched conferences, and I certainly don't wish them well in the new conference.

    bbliss

  • maceoa9903 said...

    I hated the way Aggy left as much as anyone, but I do respect the fact that they did what they felt was best for them. What is done is done. So can we let them go and move on? I find it hypocritical that many on here swear Aggy is obsessed with us yet every time I check the board there is a new post about Aggy's move. Let's be who we say we are and let them go. If I'm being completely honest I'm a little jealous that they get to play a SEC schedule. I know things are cyclical and the SEC will come down from the historic run they are on, but competing against Bama,LSU,Auburn,Tennessee,Georgia, and Florida will always be better than OK State,Kansas State,Tech and Baylor. I hope they can become a power is the SEC and rep the state of Texas football well. I hope they get so good that we have no choice but to play them yearly and we can have a rivalry like FSU/Miami in the early 90's.

    You may have hated the way aggie left, but you've apparently forgotten all the aggie crap they've done over the last 100 years. How do you feel about them consistently referring to us as tu? Real mature, right? To wish them success in the sec may be patriotic, but crazy. Let me give you a practical reason for not wishing success on them. If they start winning in the sec, it will definitely have an impact on our recruiting. I remember back in the 80's when the aggies were winning the recruiting battles for the best athletes in Texas. Teams like Notre Dame, Florida State, and Miami were dominating the top 10 Texas recruits. Even Grant Teaff (sp) at Baylor was recruiting on our level. It's happened before, it can happen again. Just look at the in-roads aggie created for Bama this year! Stop the madness!!!

    TeeDoe

  • bbliss said...

    It depends. If you're not going to count Nebraska in the late 90s/early 00s because they're no longer in the league, then I would say TCU and WVU have both been very close to playing for national championships in recent years. The Big 12 has more often than not had a third or even fourth team enter into the equation as a possible contender, whether it was Missouri/Kansas in '07, Tech in '08, Colorado in '01, OSU in '11, or Nebraska 10-15 years ago.

    I'd be curious to know what 6 teams you believe are actually viable contenders for the MNC this year out of the SEC. LSU, Alabama, and Georgia are about it. You might make an argument for South Carolina, but it'll be USC or UGA rather than both. Vandy, Kentucky, Florida, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Missouri, A&M, MSU, Arkansas, and Auburn have veritably no shot with Arkansas being the only other team you could possibly mention in the discussion. But if you're going to be that lenient, I'd argue there are 4-5 teams in the Big 12 that have a chance this season.

    And I agree with your original premise that they did what was best for them, I don't begrudge them getting into a conference, and we should leave them alone. But I'm not jealous that they switched conferences, and I certainly don't wish them well in the new conference.

    Nebraska wasnt a 2nd tier team. They were a headliner, but they were never in the national picture after 01 so those 2 reasons are why I didn't mention them.

    Forgot about Mizzou and Kansas in 07 so I have to concede that to you, but would you at least concede that part of them being in the national hunt was that 07 was such a screwy year? USF made it to #2 that year for goodness sake!

    I didn't mean the SEC has 6 teams that could compete for a NC THIS year. I mean history shows Bama,LSU,Auburn,Florida,Tennessee and Georgia all have the pedigree to be a NC contender on any given year.

    This post was edited by maceoa9903 on 7/5/2012 at 12:45 PM

    maceoa9903

  • tdou462 said...

    You may have hated the way aggie left, but you've apparently forgotten all the aggie crap they've done over the last 100 years. How do you feel about them consistently referring to us as tu? Real mature, right? To wish them success in the sec may be patriotic, but crazy. Let me give you a practical reason for not wishing success on them. If they start winning in the sec, it will definitely have an impact on our recruiting. I remember back in the 80's when the aggies were winning the recruiting battles for the best athletes in Texas. Teams like Notre Dame, Florida State, and Miami were dominating the top 10 Texas recruits. Even Grant Teaff (sp) at Baylor was recruiting on our level. It's happened before, it can happen again. Just look at the in-roads aggie created for Bama this year! Stop the madness!!!

    I don't care about Aggy antics. Some of their antics point more to their inferiority complex than anything else. So I just pay it no mind.

    I remember the 80's. I believe Akers could have done so much more had he had the support of the DKR faithful. But after him we never had the right leader until Mack. If Texas has the right man in charge then Aggy success will not negativity affect us. I see Aggy having success and us not playing them being a big mistake. Hopefully we can get to a point where emotions and bitter feelings aren't a part of the decision process.

    maceoa9903

  • When was the last time you took a crap....and wanted it back...or worse, wished it good luck to where it was going.

    Fcbib

  • churchill said...

    Ag is obnoxious when they are 6-6. Can you imagine the chest beating if they were 8-4 or 9-3? I like option 3. Disappear.

    You left out option 4. Die in a fire after having consumed an entire bag of dicks.

    thebeeve ●

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    Rivver

  • btown1110 said...

    Guy, guys the real enemy here is OU. I think we can all agree that...

    OU SUCKS!

    A&M will never cease to be our indirect enemy due to recruiting. In general, the better they do, the less pull we will have with Texas HS guys. Aggies will always be a relevant topic of discussion. I hope they do awful over there.

    dentonhorn

  • Rivver said...

    You can't pretend to have conference pride, which, lets face it, is for losers, and then turn around and wish that a team in another conference does well when that team doing well would directly harm this conference (top Texas recruits would choose aggy over TT, TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma State, etc.)

    I don't put conference pride over Texas, but wanting what's best for the conference is in Texas' best intrest. I keep hearing this fear of losing recruits to them. I have yet to hear one person tell me how FSU,Miami and Florida who were all in different leauges was bad for any of them when they were all good. I want that for Texas.

    maceoa9903

  • I know, but our real rival is, has been, and will be OU.
    I hope they go to football purgatory so they won't be a thorn in our side ever again.

    btown1110

  • maceoa9903 said...

    Not an aggy troll dude. Just don't mind them getting good. Don't you guys see, competition makes everyone good. It's why the SEC can have 5 different teams win championships in a 13 year period. It's why the state of Florida had 3 teams win championships in less than 7 years of each other. UF,FSU and Miami being good was great for the state. I want the same for Texas and if Aggy can get good in the SEC we will have to play them. Tell me who loses if Texas and A&M become what FSU/Miami was In the early 90's?

    Do we have to play them ??? That reveal your true identity there. Aggy left is OK with me. We do not have to play them ever again would be great for me as well. They could be good but not great ever over there. Even in Big 12 or SWC they could be good from time to time but not great. I hardly could think they would ever win a NC. Even in the year they are good in SWC they always get killed when playing good competition outside of SWC.

    ngca

  • maceoa9903 said...

    I don't put conference pride over Texas, but wanting what's best for the conference is in Texas' best intrest. I keep hearing this fear of losing recruits to them. I have yet to hear one person tell me how FSU,Miami and Florida who were all in different leauges was bad for any of them when they were all good. I want that for Texas.

    Nice troll effort.

    6/10

    Rivver

  • ngca said...

    Do we have to play them ??? That reveal your true identity there. Aggy left is OK with me. We do not have to play them ever again would be great for me as well. They could be good but not great ever over there. Even in Big 12 or SWC they could be good from time to time but not great. I hardly could think they would ever win a NC. Even in the year they are good in SWC they always get killed when playing good competition outside of SWC.

    Ok, I should not say we "have to" play them but I think playing and beating a good Aggy team in the SEC will do more in the eyes of recruits than not playing them.

    maceoa9903

  • Rivver said...

    Nice troll effort.

    6/10

    If troll= just trying to have a rational discussion about something we may not see eye to eye on then so be it. I'm a troll.

    maceoa9903

  • maceoa9903 said...

    Imagine how good it would feel if they were 10-2 in the SEC and we beat that ass when we play them. I'll compare it to the 05 and 08 OU games. 05 was beautiful. It was a release of 5 years of frustration and humiliation at their hands and was a stepping stone to a MNC but at the end of the year it was only an 8-5 team. 08 will always be the sweetest victory because it was a battle and Texas prevailed over a #1 ranked OU team. Beating a 5-6 Big 12 Aggy team had become more of a chore than a rivalry. Win and you were supposed to (never more evidenced than 08 when beating by 40 and calling the dogs wasn't enough to impress voters) and lose and you have to listen to them for a year brag about beating you, but they had a 6-6 year.

    I like rubbing any teams nose in the dirt and aggie really doesn;t make it any better at this point. A famous coach (maybe DKR) once said "act like you;ve done it before". Aggie doesn;t ever act like that and I have no desire to play those jerk wads again.

    churchill ●

  • maceoa9903 said...

    Ok, I should not say we "have to" play them but I think playing and beating a good Aggy team in the SEC will do more in the eyes of recruits than not playing them.

    It would do no good for us to play them. At best, we beat the heck out of them when they are the best in the SEC then what. We was able to beat the crap out of them in past already. Beating a team could not prove the supremacy of the other conference. At worst, we loose or have a close game to them when they are mediocre and suddenly everyone starts to say "oh, maybe UT is not as good as we thought them to be". And we would suffer more loss at recruiting.
    Remember, everything is cyclical, meaning you would have several mistakes in several years and suddenly you would become beatable again. So do we always able to beat them all the time? THe answer is not. Why feed them or anyone any idea about SEC is good!

    ngca

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