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49ers or Dolphins for VY?

  • utsal said...

    You didn't simply invite discussion, you called everyone babies, and said you "know" are right, The fact is you don't "know" shit. And the tone of your posts is looking for a fight, not a discussion.

    I didn't even defend VY (Insight Texas' post does that well enough, and I don't think we need to rehash the Jeff Fisher stuff, including benching Bo Scaife for saying he thought they were better with VY), I just pointed out how ridiculous your posts were.

    Calling people babies and telling people to be a man, like we should be scared of you is the epitome of trying to be an internet badass.

    If you downvote and run, you are a child. Pretty simple.

    If my posts are ridiculous, why aren't teams beating down his door? Is it still all Jeff Fisher's fault? Get real. Andy Reid managed to make Vick a wanted man.......

    Beast 512

  • Beast 512 said...

    If you downvote and run, you are a child. Pretty simple.

    If my posts are ridiculous, why aren't teams beating down his door? Is it still all Jeff Fisher's fault? Get real. Andy Reid managed to make Vick a wanted man.......

    There's plenty of people who aren't active posters on the site but upvote and downvote posts, it doesn't make them children. What makes one a child is acting like you've been wronged and calling people babies and telling them to be men, not passively participating in an internet message board and choosing not to respond to threats.

    Why should he retire? Because he hasn't been immediately signed? That makes absolutely zero sense.

    Wouldn't retiring just further the idea that he isn't willing to work? Is that really what you want from the face of the University?

    utsal

  • Nobody made threats. Christ on a cracker, you need help understanding things that are pretty black and white.

    Why is it time to retire? Does VY seem like the kind of guy that would be a journeyman backup? Does his ego (this isn't a bad thing to have) lead you to believe he can be that person?

    Look at all of the jags being signed around the league. Garrard to Miami, Trent Edwards to Philly, Matt freaking Flynn gets starters money after one game. That is from a team that knows all to well what VY can do. I mean Pete Carroll had the best seat in the house, right?

    Is VY better than all of those players? I think so. Clearly there aren't a lot of other people around the NFL that think that way. Both he and Fisher are to blame for the Tennessee fiasco. You better be one hell of a player if you are going to play in the NFL with a bad rap. VY has been good but not on the level of some other knuckleheads that do far worse yet command dollars.

    VY will always be GOD around here. I understand that. He's the greatest player I've ever seen. But the thrill is gone, in regards to him being who we thought he would be in the NFL. Probably a little too late to put your best foot forward.

    Beast 512

  • Beast 512 said...

    Nobody made threats. Christ on a cracker, you need help understanding things that are pretty black and white.

    Why is it time to retire? Does VY seem like the kind of guy that would be a journeyman backup? Does his ego (this isn't a bad thing to have) lead you to believe he can be that person?

    Look at all of the jags being signed around the league. Garrard to Miami, Trent Edwards to Philly, Matt freaking Flynn gets starters money after one game. That is from a team that knows all to well what VY can do. I mean Pete Carroll had the best seat in the house, right?

    Is VY better than all of those players? I think so. Clearly there aren't a lot of other people around the NFL that think that way. Both he and Fisher are to blame for the Tennessee fiasco. You better be one hell of a player if you are going to play in the NFL with a bad rap. VY has been good but not on the level of some other knuckleheads that do far worse yet command dollars.

    VY will always be GOD around here. I understand that. He's the greatest player I've ever seen. But the thrill is gone, in regards to him being who we thought he would be in the NFL. Probably a little too late to put your best foot forward.

    It's black and white that you acted like a baby and told people to be a man because you got your feelings hurt that people downvoted you for saying Vince should retire. I understand it just fine, telling someone to be a man is not just a threat, it's childish and stupid.

    As for your argument, I don't think giving up makes any sense. First of all, if he can earn a paycheck, he should. Secondly, it just furthers people's perceptions that he doesn't work hard and is living off of his college accomplishments. Why give people that satisfaction?

    utsal

  • Telling someone to be a man is not a threat. I didn't call everyone a baby, just the three (at the time) people that downvoted me and didn't back it up. This is a discussion forum (I realize you suck at this part of it) last time I checked.

    For the record, I also thanked the three people that came back to tell me why they downvoted me. Clearly my feelings are hurt......ha ha.

    As for the argument about VY, you offer nothing. You think he should accept being a scrub. Clearly you know nothing about VY. We expected greatness, not a man hoping to earn a paycheck. The VY we all know, expected a HOF career.

    Beast 512

  • Beast 512 said...

    Telling someone to be a man is not a threat. I didn't call everyone a baby, just the three (at the time) people that downvoted me and didn't back it up. This is a discussion forum (I realize you suck at this part of it) last time I checked.

    For the record, I also thanked the three people that came back to tell me why they downvoted me. Clearly my feelings are hurt......ha ha.

    As for the argument about VY, you offer nothing. You think he should accept being a scrub. Clearly you know nothing about VY. We expected greatness, not a man hoping to earn a paycheck. The VY we all know, expected a HOF career.

    How many people are members of this board? How many are active posters? The fact that you post a lot while others choose to express their opinions through the upvote and downvote feature does not make you more of a man and less of a baby than any of them.

    I clearly disagree with your argument, about VY, but it's the way you have gone about stating things so matter of factly (telling everyone that they "know you are right") and then calling people out for disagreeing with you that is my issue.

    As for offering nothing, what does saying "VY has made his bed" and then calling people babies for downvoting you offer?

    I know plenty about VY, I was at the majority of games he played in college and have met him a few times since. You want him to retire, but say I think he should accept being a scrub? Retiring after 6 years and not trying to regain his reputation is accepting being a scrub. Trying to work his way back is the only way for him to prove himself. I (and obviously the people who downvoted you) see no honor or benefit to him or the University by quitting before he's 30.

    utsal

  • God, you wasted your time posting that. It's awful from top to bottom.

    Beast 512

  • Beast 512 said...

    God, you wasted your time posting that. It's awful from top to bottom.

    I'm just baffled you're still defending yourself. The only two things dumber than your original post may be (1) the fact that you're shocked that people down voted you, and (2) your delusional belief that you're entitled to an explanation from people that disagree.

    Let me bottom line this for you, if you talk crap about one of the greatest Longhorns of all time, you're going to get down voted and you're going to deserve it. And you are not entitled to any explanation from anyone. You need to just move on.

    DLev

  • DLev said...

    I'm just baffled you're still defending yourself. The only two things dumber than your original post may be (1) the fact that you're shocked that people down voted you, and (2) your delusional belief that you're entitled to an explanation from people that disagree.

    Let me bottom line this for you, if you talk crap about one of the greatest Longhorns of all time, you're going to get down voted and you're going to deserve it. And you are not entitled to any explanation from anyone. You need to just move on.

    Your bottom line is pretty retarded. I never said I was shocked people downvoted it, I know how it works. I just stated they're babies for downvoting and running. I asked for them to state their opinion. They did. Pretty simple stuff. I thanked them for that and moved on. People still complaining about the babies post must have had that one hit home for them.

    My original post isn't dumb, pretty obvious a lot of NFL people would happen to agree. Guys getting backup jobs include Kyle Orton, Drew Stanton, Garrard, Trent Edwards, etc. You may not want to acknowledge what the perception of VY is but that doesn't make it dumb.

    I'll add that the Jets just traded for Tebow after signing Stanton. Let that sink in.

    This post was edited by Beast 512 on 3/21/2012 at 4:20 PM

    Beast 512

  • So because he expected a hall of fame career and it hasn't worked out that way he should quit and not earn a very good paycheck? He should quit and not try to get his career back on track? How nice of you to decide that a guy shouldn't earn a boat load of money just because he hasn't lived up to your expectations.

    I expected to be CEO of my company by now, I'm not, so I'm going to quit. Sure, I make good money and could keep making enough money to set my family and all my charities up nicely, but everything hasn't gone exactly as planned, so I'm out.

    I think you think that people only downvoted you because you said something bad about VY. That's partially it, but more importantly is that you said something ludicrous and then called out everyone who disagreed with you. Nobody other than you thinks he should retire.

    This isn't us not acknowledging the perception of him, this is arguing that a) the perception is not entirely waranted and more importantly b) retiring because of it doesn't really make a lot of sense.

    I offer reasons why what you say is both insulting to the majority of people on this board and based on no logic whatsoever and you respond with insults.

    utsal

  • I'm through with the baby talk. Move on or get over it already. Damn.

    Do you really believe VY can be a third string QB or a journeyman guy the rest of his life? You really think he'll do that? VY sees himself as a starter. Or did you miss the "I'm going to take my talents to another team" quote upon being released from the Titans?

    So yes, unless he needs money, he should retire with the offers currently available to him. Does VY really love playing pro football? Does anyone really get that vibe? I hope the guy gets a valid offer. It's almost unbelievable to me that nobody wants him.

    But what I've come to realize is that he had an owner basically tell a coach he starts at QB no matter what and botched that situation. He had a widely respected head coach like Reid pick him up, probably made the most of the opportunity given and yet wasn't invited back.

    So did he make his bed?

    Beast 512

  • Beast 512 said...

    I'm through with the baby talk. Move on or get over it already. Damn.

    Do you really believe VY can be a third string QB or a journeyman guy the rest of his life? You really think he'll do that? VY sees himself as a starter. Or did you miss the "I'm going to take my talents to another team" quote upon being released from the Titans?

    So yes, unless he needs money, he should retire with the offers currently available to him. Does VY really love playing pro football? Does anyone really get that vibe? I hope the guy gets a valid offer. It's almost unbelievable to me that nobody wants him.

    But what I've come to realize is that he had an owner basically tell a coach he starts at QB no matter what and botched that situation. He had a widely respected head coach like Reid pick him up, probably made the most of the opportunity given and yet wasn't invited back.

    So did he make his bed?

    You're through with the baby talk, but you have to have the last word. Strange.

    DLev

  • Beast 512 said...

    I'm through with the baby talk. Move on or get over it already. Damn.

    Do you really believe VY can be a third string QB or a journeyman guy the rest of his life? You really think he'll do that? VY sees himself as a starter. Or did you miss the "I'm going to take my talents to another team" quote upon being released from the Titans?

    So yes, unless he needs money, he should retire with the offers currently available to him. Does VY really love playing pro football? Does anyone really get that vibe? I hope the guy gets a valid offer. It's almost unbelievable to me that nobody wants him.

    But what I've come to realize is that he had an owner basically tell a coach he starts at QB no matter what and botched that situation. He had a widely respected head coach like Reid pick him up, probably made the most of the opportunity given and yet wasn't invited back.

    So did he make his bed?

    I think he should take an opportunity given to him and try to earn back his place as an NFL starter and reputation (the loss of which can be debated). To just give up because you don't think he loves playing pro football makes no sense. I have no idea if he loves it and you don't either.

    I also don't know everything that happened in Tennessee, and once again neither do you. Most of the facts looked at on their own (not through Jeff Fisher or the media) would indicate that Fisher was a lot more at fault than VY though. And this isn't me "not taking off my burnt orange glasses", Vince saved the guy's job twice yet was benched against the Steelers after one bad half and not allowed back in the game against the Jags (after being chided for not wanting to go back into a game hurt). His teamate who was having a borderline pro-bowl season (that known Malcontent Bo Scaife) was then benched for saying that people in the locker room supported Vince.

    But all that is somewhat irrelavant to my issues with your statement, its been argued ad nauseum on this site and others. Having no real knowledge of the situation, you can't state that "he made his own bed" then tell everyone that they know you are right and need to accept it. You actually have no idea. And your advice that he "should retire" is an opinion that nobody agrees with yet you also state it as fact.

    You decided to take a thread about Vince's opportunities next year to shit on one of, if not the, greatest Longhorn ever then got pissy that people took offense.

    This post was edited by utsal on 3/21/2012 at 5:07 PM

    utsal

  • Beast 512 said...

    Clearly you are right. I mean look at how easy that evidence is for all to find yet nobody wants to sign him to a BACKUP role. At some point Texas fans are going to have to admit that VY never fully committed to being an NFL player.

    I have some significant experience with how lousy bosses can adversely affect the careers of other people. I was in banking for over 20 years and two of my last three bosses were sociopathic nut jobs who are now serving sentences in federal prisons for defrauding banks.

    Fisher would have been fired years earlier without Vince, but somehow Fisher's senseless ragging on Vince carries more weight than Vince's performances on the field under adverse circumstances. Anybody who watched the last minute march to beat the Giants last year or watched Vince blowing up New England's defense the next week can see that he has leadership and comeback gifts that very few have in the NFL. He has one off game against Seattle and he is done? He has never done anything to compare with some of Tony Romo's epic failures such as Detroit last year.

    Unfortunately for Vince he managed to tweak the nose of the NFL coaching fraternity with numb nuts Fisher.
    All Vince needs is one head coach who cares more about winning than Jeff Fisher's antics.

    If the Texans had a clue they would pick up the guy who cleaned their clock every time they played him and heal the idiocy of passing on him in the draft. Can you imagine Vince leading his hometown team against the Ravens last year? But no, lets keep the journeyman that no one ever heard of outside of Houston who has no championship or comeback credentials. Brilliant aggy thinking....

    InsightTexas

  • Beast 512 said...

    Be a man and let me know you downvoted.

    I up voted you to counter balance your total and I'm over 40. lol

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  • InsightTexas said...

    I have some significant experience with how lousy bosses can adversely affect the careers of other people. I was in banking for over 20 years and two of my last three bosses were sociopathic nut jobs who are now serving sentences in federal prisons for defrauding banks.

    Fisher would have been fired years earlier without Vince, but somehow Fisher's senseless ragging on Vince carries more weight than Vince's performances on the field under adverse circumstances. Anybody who watched the last minute march to beat the Giants last year or watched Vince blowing up New England's defense the next week can see that he has leadership and comeback gifts that very few have in the NFL. He has one off game against Seattle and he is done? He has never done anything to compare with some of Tony Romo's epic failures such as Detroit last year.

    Unfortunately for Vince he managed to tweak the nose of the NFL coaching fraternity with numb nuts Fisher.
    All Vince needs is one head coach who cares more about winning than Jeff Fisher's antics.

    If the Texans had a clue they would pick up the guy who cleaned their clock every time they played him and heal the idiocy of passing on him in the draft. Can you imagine Vince leading his hometown team against the Ravens last year? But no, lets keep the journeyman that no one ever heard of outside of Houston who has no championship or comeback credentials. Brilliant aggy thinking....

    How do you explain Andy Reid letting him go? That wasn't because Fisher said so. Vince is essentially the same player that Vick is but Reid would rather have Trent Edwards. Also Reid saw more from a convicted felon in Vick than Vince.

    At some point you have to wonder why David Garard and Kyle Orton are getting chances and Vince isn't. Hell even Tebow can be had for a fourth but Vince with really no leverage whatsoever can't get a team to sign him on the cheap

    COACH CUTLIP

  • Beast 512 said...

    VY will always be GOD around here. I understand that. He's the greatest player I've ever seen. But the thrill is gone, in regards to him being who we thought he would be in the NFL. Probably a little too late to put your best foot forward.

    +1000 plus this. I love Vince, but I think it's time to move on in regards to NFL expectations. I will always appreciate and relish what he did and achieved at the college level but I just don't see it happening in the Leauge.

    Lhorns101

  • GetHooked said...

    I up voted you to counter balance your total and I'm over 40.

    much obliged ha ha

    Beast 512

  • InsightTexas said...

    I have some significant experience with how lousy bosses can adversely affect the careers of other people. I was in banking for over 20 years and two of my last three bosses were sociopathic nut jobs who are now serving sentences in federal prisons for defrauding banks.

    Fisher would have been fired years earlier without Vince, but somehow Fisher's senseless ragging on Vince carries more weight than Vince's performances on the field under adverse circumstances. Anybody who watched the last minute march to beat the Giants last year or watched Vince blowing up New England's defense the next week can see that he has leadership and comeback gifts that very few have in the NFL. He has one off game against Seattle and he is done? He has never done anything to compare with some of Tony Romo's epic failures such as Detroit last year.

    Unfortunately for Vince he managed to tweak the nose of the NFL coaching fraternity with numb nuts Fisher. All Vince needs is one head coach who cares more about winning than Jeff Fisher's antics.

    If the Texans had a clue they would pick up the guy who cleaned their clock every time they played him and heal the idiocy of passing on him in the draft. Can you imagine Vince leading his hometown team against the Ravens last year? But no, lets keep the journeyman that no one ever heard of outside of Houston who has no championship or comeback credentials. Brilliant aggy thinking....

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    Beast 512

  • Beast 512 said...

    The little babies on this site can down vote me all they want, they know I'm right. Be a man and let me know you downvoted.

    I'm a woman and I down voted you twice!

    Your comments are juvenile and you absolutely know nothing about Vince except what trash has been written about him and that seems what you want to believe.

    Go find another website. Your stupid comments are not wanted on here!

    texasgal

  • texasgal said...

    I'm a woman and I down voted you twice!

    Your comments are juvenile and you absolutely know nothing about Vince except what trash has been written about him and that seems what you want to believe.

    Go find another website. Your stupid comments are not wanted on here!

    Relax Francis.

    COACH CUTLIP

  • texasgal said...

    I'm a woman and I down voted you twice!

    Your comments are juvenile and you absolutely know nothing about Vince except what trash has been written about him and that seems what you want to believe.

    Go find another website. Your stupid comments are not wanted on here!

    Thanks. You seem very smart.

    Beast 512

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