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neverwenttout said...
Not surprised at the downvote but the truth is the truth. If Duncan wins this year then it becomes arguable. And I could careless about an athletes personal life.
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neverwenttout said...
Not surprised at the downvote but the truth is the truth. If Duncan wins this year then it becomes arguable. And I could careless about an athletes personal life.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by austinr on 5/24/2012 at 4:04 PM
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austinr said...
That is the reason you know little about sports. Check the win loss records of all sports franchises or college teams. Character counts................there is a reason the Spurs and Patriots are the 2 best franchises over the past 10-15 years. They like college graduates (or good students) and the management puts up with zero BS. There is a reason Duke and UNC are model programs........they have players who are class acts. I don't know how much you know about the history of the NBA but there was always a debate who was better Bill Russell or Wilt. Wilt was the better individual player but Russell was the guy you wanted to build your team around. Its the difference between having class and no class.
For me I don't like to have to take a shower after watching my team play.........I am sorry others don't care about important things. I had a baseball coach in HS who used to say not everybody can run a 4.5 or hit the ball 400 ft but everybody can back up a play............everybody can hustle on every play............have a good attitude..........be a good teammate............do whats right (Key here don't fool around on your wife and rape women)
Is KB one of the best in the NBA.......yes! Is he a player to start a franchise..........No! You build organizations around Duncan and players (with character) like KD..........not KB.
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chilihorn11 said...
I love the passion but the Lakers and Steelers have been just as successful the last 10-15 years as the Spurs and Patriots and I don't think you would say they are led by "character" people (Kobe, Roethlisberger, Harrison). The reason that all four of these franchises have been successful are do to great coaching, committed organizations and great players.
The notion that the Patriots and Spurs are somehow about it all is complete nonsense because the both organizations have brought on board many players that are considered to be bad "character" people in the last few years (both Jacksons, Moss, Haynesworth, Harrison) and only got rid of them when their production didn't exceed their off field distractions like every other professional team.
If Boston had the choice to pick between Wilt or Russell they would have picked Wilt. They built around Russell because they already had him and the Sixers would never trade Wilt to them so that had nothing to do with character.
Your point about not building around Kobe is nonsense. I wonder how many organizations would sell their souls to have drafted/acquired a player that has brought them 5 titles and 7 final appearances. I guess then you must not think that MJ, Magic, Bird, and numerous others should have been built around because they have done the same things that Kobe has done and in some cases worse. To hammer my point home I guess Tom Brady and Tony Parker are bad "characters" because Brady had a child out of wedlock and Tony Parker cheated on his wife with a teammates women no less.
Here's a list of the biggest winners (NBA and NFL) in the last 10-15 years and you tell me who are guys you think are good "characters".
Kobe- 5 titles Duncan- 4 titles Shaq- 4 titles Brady- 3 titles Roethlisberger- 2 titles
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texassborn said...
I agree with the character aspects! We can only truly weigh stats! And anyone who followed the KOBE case knows that he didn't rape that girl! Kobe and Duncan, we are all lucky to have gotten to watch them play! They both have done it their way! I love love love TIMMY though! Kobe is most definitely top 5! But Barkley calls Timmy the greatest power forward to ever play the game! Shaq refers to him as "Mr. Duncan" and has for years! That's high praise from two guys who's stats and time in the league puts them head and shoulders above most! My point being that they don't owe anyone any compliments!
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